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The Lightning Spear in Elden Ring is definitely the best iteration of this spell. This one is just pathetic.

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Well... It's not that bad.
On a faith build early game, it will carry you with a raw mace and dark blade. It's short range, but it will carry you until you get the lightning stake, and at this moment you'll deal a lot of damage. Faith build are viable early.

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I modified this spell and changed the damage value to match that of the basic pyromancer Fireball and also lowered the FP cost. As it was, Lightning Spear had a lower damage value than a Fireball when ranged and for double the FP cost, only slightly outdamages it if casted at point blank.
The result is a very fun and balanced early spell for ranged Faith casters, similar to it's Elden Ring counterpart.

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Does very bad damage, now remember ds1 lightning spear? That hit as hard as a truck

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After after playing Elden Ring for thousands of hours, my heart as a deadset and obsessed strength/faith chad in every single build i come with, lowkey shatters to thousands of pieces whenever i feel to get back on Dark Souls 3, and i-m stumbling in this pathetic rendition of Lightning Spear.
I'm glad to see that Miyazaki learned from his mistakes, and gave the proper treatment, justice and respect to the Elden Ring counterpart spell by making it as a portable chargeable mini nuke, powerful in every single scenario.
Honestly, i'm really hoping that the upcoming DLC for Elden Ring will involve even a similar faith spell to the lightning bow miracle from Ringed City, because that spell was cool a ****.

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Point blank it does good damage, but I wish they'd delegate more of that damage to the ranged portion. Until mid-late game it's barely worth using considering how expensive it is.

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Even a Piezo igniter found in typical lighters deals more lightning damage than this.

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hits about as hard as a thrown kukri despite being slower and costing FP

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If you have a fully upgraded yorkshas chime, ring of the first born, Mornes ring, lightning clutch ring and about 50 faith or more then yeah it does good damage against uhhh silver knights.

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Everyone checking the comments wondering why this spell hits like a wet noodle.

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this doesnt show anythimnh

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There are millions of ds3 videos in YouTube and the only videos this miracle appears in are miracle showcases and such. Outside of them ppl doesn't even pick it up.

What does that tell you?

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This deals worse damage than Fire Orb which can be acquired way earlier and consumes less fp too.

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I am willing to deal with the awful damage of this spell SOLELY to commit to my Solaire cosplay

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Still kinda salty how badly they nerfed one of the most iconic miracles. I knew miracles in DS3 sucked but still decided to do a faith based character at one point. despite dumping most of my stats into faith, this spell never out-damaged my crossbow, not once. I'm sure it can be explained lore-wise since gods are dead (and we killed them) and all that, but still, makes me sad.

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Ds1 lightning spear makes this look like the miracle of shocking yourself on a door knob after going down a plastic slide

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How ****ed up is it that this is the first offensive miracle in the game you can get, it's not available until you kill two bosses minimum, and it's placed such that you're most likely to encounter it after killing FIVE bosses?

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Getting this somewhere on the high wall would've been nice. imagine if lightning spear was the reward for killing the winged knight.

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With a SL19 cleric you can actually *INSTAKILL* players with this at point-blank range on a single trade with a canvas talisman and equipping Morion's Blade, Awakening, Red Tearstone Ring, Lightning Clutch Ring and the miracle rings. It is important to note though that you need tears of denial to survive, but it works!!

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This with both faith rings and canvas talisman is very powerful at SL60. It costs little FP and can be used with unbreakable poise. Trades are in most cases favorable, and sometimes the opponent gets immediately killed without expecting it.
Remember this is better with a straight sword on the other hand.

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Sigh... I just wanted this a bit earlier in the game.
Like, imagine if this was obtainable just before Vordt

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I have a fun thing for you guys who feel kinda depressed with this early game.Get the followers javelin and plop a lightning gem on it.So not only is it more damage costs less its even faster to launch.But its travels slower but not by much,I mean technically it's still lightning spear just a bit more spear.(A scaling)

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It also makes a different sound when you use it on the shrine bonfire

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Threw one at a Grave Warden with 30 Faith, +4 Saint's Talisman and Morne's Ring on and did 111 damage. Unleveled Longbow with the cheapest arrow hits the same enemy for about 120 with 18 Dex, 12 Str. That's not just bad it's insulting.

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The fact that this is an early game spell should give you an idea about how much glory it lost. What a fkin shame.

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It's a shame this spell doesn't hold up in late game. If you're going to optimize any build really, you aren't going to just stop at base requirements. By the time your FTH reaches 35, this spell will be obsolete because you can now cast Lightning Arrow. Slightly more damage at a lower FP cost. If you're pedantic about FP efficiency, Lightning Arrow even beats out Sunlight Spear. Example; given 100 FP which gives you 2 Sunlight Spears and 5 Lightning Arrows, the spears give you a little over 1k damage, which the arrows net you 1.5k. You will need another Sunlight Spear to match that. Why is there a spell that outclasses all other lightning miracles?

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Se eu sou um paladino que upo inteligência e fé o dano aumenta? ou só se baseia em fé?

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Ha lighting spear go brr brr

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You underestimate this a lot. With the two miracle boosting rings, Rose of Ariandel WA and Sunlight Straight Sword WA, this deals very nice damage for JUST 23 FP. Trades well, doing high damage at melee, similar to most heavy weapons, just that this can be casted with POISE from the talismans.

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If they just gave this as early as the Uchigatana...

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Lightning Toothpick...

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Everybody is complaining about how this spell sucks, even though it's clearly meant for early game playing.
Try using literally any other lightning miracle besides this one and you'll see much better results.

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It's a shame that the most iconic spell in the series kinda sucks.

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Tip: casting within melee range can do alot more damage for those saying it sucks yeah it's not the best but it is viable if used correctly

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Threw these in the face of Midir and they did zero damage. Thought I was missing so ran up to his face. Direct hit. Zero damage.

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Remember dark souls 1? Where you could kill quelagg in 3 hits of lightning spear. Remember blasting apart the iron golem with 4 or 5 lightning spears and still having enough left over to keep going without a bonfire? Remember 2 shotting the giant guards in anor londo with lightning spears? Good times, good times

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Remember when this spell dealt 800 - 1000 damage and with it s reach you could actually snipe with it back in the day? This in ds3 is such a letdown i wouldn t mind it being removed from the game.

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Unless you plan to use Faith for the Faith-oriented utility spells, the investment into faith for this spell is flat out not worthwhile. For the same point investment into Dex, you can get a decent bow with whatever arrows you desire without having to bog yourself down with a spellcasting ring, or you can invest in a bit of str and dex and just use a crossbow. At least with crossbows you have access to exploding bolts. Heck, go Str Dex and use a greatbow instead if you can get behind heavy 'cast' times.

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actually useless

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For a starting offensive miracle it's pretty good, hitting 200~ damage vs crystal sage at 20 faith with unreinforced priests chime

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I rather sunbro Vordt 29 times than to use this sorry excuse for an offensive miracle

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Trivia: If you fire this at the bonfire in Firelink Shrine, it will be conducted up through the sword to the sky. Its really cool!

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People want to use this at range then go for chimes not talisman. This spell does abt 370 at 60 fth and this is the weakest version. Now i know that if you compare 1 to 1 sorcery and faith sorcery seems better bcz of range capability and dmg/fp ratio yes that's true. But sorcerers can potentially become assassin sorcerers but they have to fight up close then roll away ALOT to get distance to spam spells. While a faith build which usually becomes a tank or warrior fights easily at close range and sure he's nerfed at long range he aint perfect but at least he still does something at range compared to sorcerers upclose who cant do anything. Faith builds cam mix between talisman and chimes for fighting styles. Chimes for range and not trading blows while talisman for close dmg and trading blows. Faith have powerful healing and buffs that boost both offence and defence not just offence like in sorcery. Faith builds can use lightning dmg physical dmg and ever magic dmg (darkmoon blade) while sorcerers can only use magic. Sorcerers brag about their amazing dmg and stunning dmg/fp ratios while all it takes a cleric is to use great magic barrier and all you magic casters start crying. Sure sorcery has stealth and ranged attacks but how far can that take you in solo boss fights and pvp. Nowhere, you all need a second player a tank or distraction to fight from range bcz all you can brag about is dmg and nothing more. Fighting is a deep complexe system built on offence capability, defence capability, health, fp, stamina, dmg, blow trading capability, hit and run capability, faster attacking capability, lucky strikes especially when it comes to bleeding or frostbit as well as a large arsenal of spells to make up a play style. Sorcery covers only dmg fp and not even the best spell arsenal. And yet sorcerers dare to say that sorcery is better. At the end of the day sorcery and miracles are uncomparable plain and simple.

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I don't know what from was thinking making these deal more damage at close range. We have Lightning Stake for that ffs

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Good for trading with unfaltering prayer and fast casting but it comes with several downsides. Ranged damage sucks, very bad against most big enemies since they will not be stunned, same with airborne and very agile enemies/targets due to missing extra damage, unfaltering prayer inflates fp cost, bad fp cost to damage ratio (bad for very long fights), needs extra stats in vigor, vitality and good armor with some poise to trade effectively.
My recommendation? use it up close and against lightning weak enemies only, then ditch for lightning skate if you want to trade and lightning arrow for range casting.

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I like to use this in pve more then pvp, it's a pretty good spell but unless your fighting a fat roller it's not likely going to hit someone.

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"just do these mental gymnastic" posts below

its bad. from should feel bad. dragons faked their own death conspiracy headcanon is plausible.

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Lightning spear more like Rekt-noobs-early spear.
People say that miracles are weak the try comboing this or better versions of this with str weapons which can stunlock for a guaranted kill

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there is a common misconception here, there is nothing wrong with the lightning spear spell OR faith builds for that matter, it's just that faith builds in dark souls 3 need to be approached in a different way than we're used to from ds1/2. In the previous games you just got the spell, the faith to use it and were able to do max damage just by casting the spell, even from far away. Dark souls 3 wants you to approach offensive miracles in a completely different way, if you noticed, talismans were re-introduced in ds3 and have a unique weapon arte called unfaltering prayer that allows you to cast a spell while temporarily increasing your poise and reducing damage taken. It is a fact that offensive miracles benefit greatly if cast RIGHT in front of the enemy (seriously, it increases damage by a LOT). what you want to do in dark souls 3 is pump some stats into vgr/vit to make yourself able to take hits, then into fth/atn for spell casting (just use a fire infused weapon till you get 20/20/20/20 in said stats). once you have the necessary stats (at least 20/20/20/20 mentioned above. i started as a herald and infused my spear with fire, with these stats i'm only lv 46), equip a talisman (preferably the canvas talisman, it has the best damage to poise granted during unfaltering prayer ratio) and (for early game) morne's ring (maybe lloyd's shield/sword ring as well), definitely the sage ring (increased casting speed) and cast your offensive miracle at point blank range by using the unfaltering prayer weapon are (LT). you'll want to make sure to time your spell so that it lands WHILE the enemy is attacking you so they can't dodge. if you got the stats recommended and equipped a decent set of armor with that nice vit, you'll be able to trade blows and take less damage while guaranteeing the spell lands as they can't dodge while in their attacking animation. Early game spells include lightning spear, lightning stake (i plan on getting this soon, if you want to kill the sandworm in smouldering lake to get this spell you wont regret it) and i use heal and replenishment. I use the default herald class shield, but if you want to have both a talisman AND a chime (talisman for offense, chime for hp regen arte and maybe buffing) then feel free. i have a +3 canvas talisman and am able to hit 193 up close with lightning spear, this may not sound like much after having played dark souls 2 where everyone wants AT LEAST 1500 hp mid game, but in dark souls 3 the "must have" amount of hp has changed alongside the way to fight as a cleric. Most people have around 1000 hp early/mid game (if they even have 1000 hp as another thing that has changed is that people tend to dump most of their stats into str/dex for offense) and cap at 27 vgr late game, so i'm able to hit 1/5 their hp (that's while at only 20 fth too) per lightning spear and am able to cast lightning spear 5 time per FP bar WHILE using unfaltering prayer.

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As somebody who just grinded out ten levels in faith just to use this, I wish I had done my homework.

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For me, I found this spell quite frustrating because it was really bad early on in the game for my faith-focused caster build. I mean, casters typically have it rough in the early game to begin with, but then you're dealing with a spell that won't do it's full damage unless it's landed in melee and costs more focus compared to more-or-less equivalent sorceries or pyromancies such as great heavy soul arrow and fire orb. On top of that, it's not as accessible as early GHSA and fire orb, so clerics have to wait longer to get a similar spell to sorcerers or pyromancers only to have it feel very weak in their hands.But once you're higher level, have miracle boosting rings, and upgraded chimes, this thing can dish out some respectable damage, even when just used as a ranged attack. Of course, it's possible you could have great lightning spear by that point, but it might still be worth using if you haven't managed to collect all the sunlight medals yet.Not really sure what the proper way to buff it for a less lackluster early game is. If they upped the damage, that could potentially close the gap too much with great lightning spear in the later game. Maybe a focus cost reduction would be more appropriate.

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The other day i used lightning spear with a +9 sunless talisman and a +6 yorshaks talisman, it didnt do more then 113 with either one, i had 45 faith mind you, but as a faith/int hybrid when i found the crystal chime i light up! Now with a +5 crystal chime and 50 int and 46 faith this meesely little spear is dealing around 497 damage at a distance to the knights in lothric castle! , i tried sunlight spear with that chime, over 1k! :D basically it went from being useless to (combined with its fast cast speed) being a staple in my offense! Now on to NG+4!

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saved my life. Let me tell you a tale of an undead and a Dancer of the Boreal Valley. There he was, in the throne room of Yhorm the Giant, jumping for joy over his victory in the ferocious battle between him and the giant until... Magic runes appeared on the ground that seemed to circle around him and the next thing he knew was that he ended up in a dark room with an old women that laid on the ground. Faint words came out of her mouth "Prince Lothric is in your hands... Tell him what he must be... A LORD". All of a sudden, the women vanished and the undead seemed to be grasping onto something, the basin of vows. An orange rune appeared on the ground that seemed to spell out a sentence in the language of old Lordran "Place the basin of vows on the altar". Without hesitation, the undead attempted to do this task but when all of a sudden.. Black fog seeped in from the roof, and an enormous creature with a giant orange blade stood before the undead, The Dancer of the Boreal Valley. The undead leapt forward and tried enhance his straight sword of Astora with lightning but the Dancer struck him with a thrust of her blade. The undead received an enormous scar on his right shoulder but still thought "There is nothing an Estus Flask can't fix". The battle went on and on, swords clashing, metal scraping on the room's walls until all of a sudden, the sword of the undead shattered in half! It may seem as if the undead had forgotten to repair it before the battle. He was almost defenceless but then the undead grabbed a sort of talisman from his pockets and started throwing bolt of lightning at the Dancer. It wasn't nearly as effective as his sword but it was better than nothing. The battle went on even longer until the undead noticed that "I HAVE RUN OUT OF ESTUS FLASKS AND MANA!". The undead was caught off-guard and was stabbed in the chest. He is almost dead but so was the Dancer! She seemed to be limping around and struggled to even swing her blade. It was know or never, the Dancer swung her blades at the undead, he closed his eyes and hoped that he still had enough mana to summon another bolt. He drew his talisman and just as the Dancer's blades was about to hit the undead, the lightning bolt pierced through the Dancer's armour and straight through her heart. Blood rained down from the ceiling and a bonfire appeared in the middle of the room. He has won the battle and is now resting at the bonfire.The damage i was doing in the fight was approximately 196 with the bolts and 286 with my lightning blade-buffed astora straight sword. 9 Estus flasks and 2 Ashen Estus Flasks.

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Pretty cheap miracle, fp wise. Short range, compared to the other spears. Collected pretty early in the game, doing frankly awful damage. Dont even waste an attunement slot on it if you are a faith build; just stick with the heals and buffs. You will get your chance with great lightning spear, or lightning stake.

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Sadness ahead

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I don't understand why something that is meant to be thrown would do more damage when you're close to the target.

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I respeced my soul points, hoping to create a new lighting ninja build. But guess what, yeah, you know the rest. I would rather carry rubbish around than this sh*t..

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If you use a lightning miracle on watersurface there will be a lillte larger aoe

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Can't find it near dragon

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Damage might not be tops but my god are these miracles sexy to cast. Now only if the dmg matched the look and they would be monsterous~

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is it me or is a faithbuild pure bullsh*t? my ligthningspears do like no damage

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Absolute garbage miracle, does significantly less damage than heavy soul arrow

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Even with a +6 chime and Faith as my highest stat it does a little more than one normal swing from a completely non-leveled weapon.

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is the faith build really not worth it?

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I've always played through each game as a straith build. After seeing how terrible the damage is, and needing 20 faith and the FP cost? Nope. Guess its time to break my trend.

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At times it seems a lightning bolt comes from the sky and it does double damage can anyone confirm why?

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Why even have this spell in the game any more, the damage is just so bad compared to the FP cost you might as well never use it. Seriously, I rushed this on my faith character after Vordt and at 22 faith it hits barely harder than my unupgraded astora's straight sword.

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At 25 faith and a +3 chime (starter chime for Clerics), it does a whopping 80 damage to most enemies....Considering the point in the game where you GET the spell, it will have already been completely overpowered by most sorcery and even pyromancy's Fireball. I've tried the spell on enemies in water as well as skeletons, hoping maybe they would be weaker to the spell, but there is no such luck.

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Do you have to take Herald White ? Or its for all class?

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