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Soul of Cinder

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Phase 1 6557

Phase 2 4209

100,000 Kiln of the First Flame
Drops Soul of the Lords
Defenses
Weak Resistant Immune
Lightning, Dark, Frost Fire ?

Soul of Cinder Information

Soul of Cinder is a Boss enemy in Dark Souls 3. It is the Final Boss of Dark Souls 3. It is seen as the amalgamation of all the Lords of Cinder, with a variety of Dark Dialectics spells and movesets used during its first phase and the use of Gwyn's moveset for the second phase.

  • You can summon Yuria of Londor to help you fight this enemy. (Must have done Anri's event in Darkmoon tomb and Yuria must not be hostile) Summon sign can be found just before the boss fog.
  • You can summon Londor Pale Shade  to help you fight this enemy.  Summon can be found at mid way up the long winding stairs to the boss arena, turn to your right look for the white sign.
  • This boss is not an optional boss fight.
  • For endings after defeating it, see the Game Progress Route and/or Kiln of the First Flame.

 

Location

 

Drops

  • Souls: NG (100,000), NG+ (150,000), NG++ (220,000), NG+3 (225,000), NG+4 (240,000), NG+6 (??), NG+9 (??)
  • Souls: NG (75,000 with 1 phantom)
  • Souls: NG (25,000 with 2 phantoms)
  • Soul of the Lords

 

Combat Information

  • Health Information
  • Phase 1: NG (6557), NG+ (6655), NG++ (7321), NG+3 (7653), NG+4 (7986), NG+5 (8652), NG+6 (8985), NG+7 (9317)
  • Phase 2: NG (4209), NG+ (4272), NG++ (4700), NG+3 (4913), NG+4 (5127), NG+5 (5554), NG+6 (5768), NG+7 (5982)

 

  • Cannot be parried. Can be staggered/poise-broken but with no opening for a critical attack, only counterattacks. 
  • Cannot be spell parried
  • Highly resistant to bleed, but not immune. 
  • Not immune to poison/toxin.
  • Dark and lightning damage seems effective; not vulnerable, but less resistant to than fire and magic. However, lightning appears to be the better of the two.
  • Weak to Frost.
  • During Phase 1, Soul of Cinder will alternate through 4 various movesets during the fight. Its first moveset consists of standard melee sword swings and thrusts, its second involves the use of soul sorceries such as Crystal Soul Mass and Crystal Soul Spear, its third moveset involves the use of Pyromancy such as Power Within and Great Fireball in addition to the use of a curved sword style (capable of parrying the player) and acrobatic dodges.  Its fourth moveset involves a Spear weapon and using Miracles such as Wrath of the Gods and Heal. Defeating the Soul of Cinder will cause it to regenerate all of its HP with an AoE attack followed by an aerial slash, moving on to phase 2.
  • Note: The first time you fight Soul of Cinder, it will do a specific pattern to show you all 4 movesets. This order is standard melee sword - mage - curved sword/pyromancy - spear/miracles. Every other time you fight the Soul of Cinder it will be in a different order, but always starting as the standard sword. This is true unless you summon up a phantom or two, even NPC. (The order is not guaranteed, my order was Standard - Curved/Pyro - Mage - Spear)
  • For Phase 2, Soul of Cinder will become far more aggressive making use of an Ultra Greatsword and adopting Gwyn's moveset. During this Phase it will use a grab attack similar to that of Gwyn and a 5 hit slash attack which will air juggle you, should you be caught up in the attack. It will also make use of Sunlight Spear attacks such as simply throwing them at you or throwing them in the air to create an airborne attack, or smash them into the ground with small AOE damage. 

 

Strategies

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Strategy 1 (Melee)


NORMAL MELEE MOVESET. Hardest one to get used to but gives many good openings. Stay near or in medium distance from it and circle to right. The key is to memorize the slow charged attacks so that you don't roll too soon. If you get hit and need to heal, roll away from it and make some distance. This moveset makes the Soul of Cinder highly aggressive, it will attempt to rush you down as soon as you try to gain some distance so hit-and-away strategies are not as effective here as they are with other bosses. It pays off to be aggressive in kind as the more damage you do to it in a short space of time, the closer it gets to being stunned and changing movesets.

MAGE MOVESET.  Keeping close is the way to beat this moveset, as most of its sorceries are activated upon reaching a certain distance from it. Homing Soulmass won't fire behind it and even if it does, simply by walking right you dodge it. It never dodges anything and casts slowly so you have great openings to do serious damage. Pontiff's Right Eye ring helps here (consecutive attacks gives dmg boost). The best opening is the Soul Stream (large beam attack): get behind it while it is casting and you are 100% safe! Remember to keep close, as it will try and leap across the room to get the distance it needs to cast its more damaging sorceries.

LANCE+FAITH MOVESET. Pretty simple to deal with. Get really close to it and circle to the right. Dodge everything (except Wrath of Gods) little right and towards it. Never attack after fast poke, only attack after its heavy attacks and charges.

CURVED SWORD+PYROMANCY MOVESET. This moveset appears intimidating and moves very fast, but hits far weaker than its straight sword moveset. Thankfully its attacks are normally preceded by a spinning wind-up and its attacks are telegraphed. Highly aggressive playstyles suit this moveset, and it is more of a DPS race than anything else. In this moveset it can use the Darkwood Grain Ring flip and use pyromancies such as Power Within, Great Combustion and more. Faster weapons here help but are not required, especially thrust weapons with the Leo Ring if you happen to have them. Best opening is after two heavy flaming slashes. It can do them at anytime but most often after it rolls towards the player. First horizontal slash comes out normally, the second is slightly delayed. The recovery time after the second slash is long enough to sneak in an attack and dodge away.

And finally, PHASE TWO, GREAT LORD MOVESET. Really simple to deal with. Stay away and fish for jumping attack and the running poke. Dodge the jump attack little left and towards it so that you end up behind it and it won't do a follow up attack. Attack once and back away. Running poke is more difficult. Dodge immediately when you see the first running steps. If you identify the Sunlight Storm spell early, you can sprint towards it and attack safely few times before lighting rains down on you. In the event it casts Sunlight Storm, don't panic, but your dodge must be at the last possible second if you wish to safely avoid the attack. If you see the Soul of Cinder take a golf swing stance, roll away immediately and gain significant distance or you will be hit by its 5-hit combo. This moveset, averaged between its previous movesets, hits the hardest and the fastest. If you have beaten the final boss of Dark Souls, you will be at a great advantage.

Strategy 2 (Magic)

Phase I 

The Soul of Cinder is resistant to fire, so opt to use dark spells if you work with pyromancy (most preferably Black Fire Orb). Always keep your distance from the Soul of Cinder. The first phase will be the most difficult, especially in its first swordphase. Choose your time to cast carefully, try always to use your spell after it has attacked. Still, your first priority is keeping your distance. Doing so will allow you to attack it while it is missing its attacks at you. During its scimitar/pyromancy phase, you will have ample opportunities to cast spells while it is casting its own pyromancies. Just beware of being hit by its own fireball. Its spear/miracle phase is arguably the easiest. Just beware of its spear charge and continue keeping your distance, and its spinning attack will miss you completely, giving you the chance to lob some spells at it. During its sorcery phase, beware of casting at the same time as it, unless it is using spells that are slower than yours and leave you the chance to dodge. Soul Stream is a good time to deal damage. 

Phase II

During Phase II the boss will have considerably less health, making this portion quicker. An attack you need to be careful of is its jumping slash. This is very fast and will close the distance to you almost instantly. Whenever it wants to do the five-hit-combo, it will raise up its greatsword and charge up the flame for a brief second, which allows you to evade. If you manage to evade being hit during its five-hit combo, it will simply continue doing the combo at nothing. This is a great chance to deal damage, but be careful not to get hit, since any hit during the combo will combo you.

Strategy 3 Rakuyo's Melee Tips

Sword

Stab attack (Attack, this is a great opening)

Fast swings (tricky, this can be part of a 3 hit combo, it's safest to attack after the combo ends)

Fiery strong attack (this can be go 3 ways)

  1. It slashes upwards once. Tthis move resembles the Dark Sword strong attack and has great tracking and range (Block)
  2. 3 slashes upwards  (Roll & Counter)
  3. It holds its sword and turns around for a large swing (Roll & Counter)

 

Staff

(Roll & Counter)

This is great time to deal some damage with your melee character. 

It can use Farron Hail, Soul Spear, Soul Greatsword or Soul Stream but all these attacks are easy to roll under and counter.

Without its blue aura, Soul of Cinder can't summon Crystal Homing Soulmasses and it's very vulnerable as it has no fast attacks.

Crystal Homing Soulmasses have some AI, they are reluctant to attack when your shield is up. They get much more active when you lower your guard.

Its blue aura can last beyond this phase, but if you stagger it, the aura will disappear.

 

Spear

Fast stabs (Block/Roll) These come in too fast to get a hit in with most weapons. The combo can last for 3 stabs.

Strong attack (Circle/Roll & Counter, this is a great opportunity to attack)

Charge (Get behind it, Circle/Roll --> Attack)

Halberd Spin (Roll towards its back --> Attack)

Wrath of the God (Perfect Roll --> ranged attack or heal)

 

Curved Sword

(Ranged attacks and blocking)

In this mode it is most vulnerable to ranged attacks, like spells or Kukris.

Good openings are when it's casting Fireball, Poison Cloud, Power Within or Combustion

You can also hit it when it's coming at you but it may roll.

The best way to deal with its melee attacks is block and step backwards.

Sneak in a hit after its combos end.

Power Within may last beyond this phase but the spell will fade if you stagger it.

 

Lord of Cinder

This is phase 2 and it'll have less health than in phase 1.

Its best attack is a large combo followed by an explosion.

You must never block this attack as it's a real guard breaker.

It's clearly signalled by it holding its sword straight up.

If you see it, try and get away from it. If you break away you can sneak in some Kukris while it's doing the combo.

It can't keep doing that move but its other moves are still good guardbreakers.

The best strategy is to Roll & Counter as much as possible and keep away from its signature attack.

Its kicks, grabs and smashes are particularly easy to roll under and get in a hit.

Attacks

 

First Phase (4 Stage Moveset)
Attack Name Attack Description
Strength Moveset

Wields a straight sword and attacks with sweeping/slashing/thrusting moves.

Dexterity Moveset

Wields a curved sword and casts pyromancies:

  • Fire Orb
  • Poison Mist
  • Power Within

also appears to be able to parry you in this phase

Intelligence Moveset

Wields a catalyst and fires many spells:

  • Farron Hail
  • Crystal Homing Soulmass
  • Soul Spear
  • Soul Stream
Faith Moveset

Wields a great lance and uses miracles:

  • Replenishment 
  • Wrath of the Gods
Second Phase (Great Lord Moveset)
Attack Name Attack Description
5 Hit Combo

Launches the player into the air and hits them repeatedly, then smashes the ground for an AOE attack.

Command Grab

Grabs the player and makes them explode.

Sunlight Spear

Throws a sunlight spear at the player.

Sunlight "Storm"

Throws a sunlight spear upwards, which splits into a large AOE of lightning spears.

Sunlight Stake

Throws a sunlight spear directly downward.

 

Lore Theories

  • The Soul of Cinder is the deific manifestation of every person that linked the fire, which is why it uses player movesets in the first phase to emulate every player that chose the Link the Fire ending in Dark Souls. In phase 2, it uses Gwyn's moveset out of desperation at having been bested in all of its previous fighting styles.
  • "Since Lord Gwyn, the first Lord of Cinder, many exalted lords have linked the First Flame, and it is their very souls that have manifested themselves as defender of the flame." - Soul of the Lords.

 

Trivia

  • While the second phase is on, a rebooted version of Gwyn, Lord of Cinder's bossfight soundtrack from Dark Souls can be heard.
  • In the first phase, its weapon switchings are similiar to weapon transformations in Bloodborne.
  • The flowers surrounding the First Flame are very similar to the flowers found in the Hunter's Dream.
  • The Soul of Cinder is available as figure for Funko Pop line and Dark Souls 3 Collector's Edition, under the name of "Red Knight".

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    • 16 Feb 2017 10:04  

      This boss is an epic way to end the dark souls series, Like for example as a tribute to the fans he shows off the many different ways some of us played like using magic and sword, spears, long swords, curved swords, the ninja flip ring. Then as a stage two he goes gwyn on our asses with a little remix of gwyns theme (not gonna lie I teared up a little when I herd it start and lost because I got distracted). Even cooler you can use the soul to make the sunlight spear which is amazing (my favorite miracle)aka the lightning nuke(with the right stats).

      • 16 Feb 2017 01:27  

        Beat him. Tough, but fair, indeed. Just watched him, leared his tells, the rest was just practice. I look forward to NG+.

        ...oh, and i just ran away from the curved sword, screw that one.

        • 13 Feb 2017 06:05  

          Unlike what this wiki would suggest, he takes bleed damage normally and it is absolutely recommended to run a bleed weapon / carthus rouge. Being an idiot I thought that "highly resistant" to bleed means "negligible, not worth" but the damage he takes from bleed is so great that "highly resistant" really does not apply.

          • 10 Feb 2017 23:39  

            for some reason my second phase skipped, I'm not really sure why. I almost finished him completely a few times solo at sl23, then took Shade in (who died promptly each time), then I took Yuria in hopes I wouldn't have to spend all night fighting him. When we finished his first phase, he just died. That was it. Anyone have any info on this?

            • 04 Feb 2017 07:40  

              So, I was thinking about making a cosplay with all of his spells...
              80 attunement, darkmoon ring, saint's ring and feep ring required. Wouldn't even be able to cast the spells.
              ***** this, I'll do a phase 2 only.

              • 30 Jan 2017 13:45  

                I'm thinking it's a glitch but in a fight with this guy I was summoned and during the fight a mad spirit entered the boss room and I had to fight him off during the battle, any one have info on this??

                • 23 Jan 2017 17:14  

                  April 2016: Man, this boss is so amazing! And to have it use Gwyn's moveset, this game is a love letter to all Souls fans. This is the best possible way the series could have ended!
                  January 2017: Is this thing for real? And to top it all of they recycled Gwyn's moveset! This is the worst possible way the series could have ended.

                  • 14 Jan 2017 21:48  

                    He might be an interesting fight, but......I STILL REALLY F***ING HATE THIS ASSHOLE!!! I managed to kill him on my fourth try, but just as I did he killed Yuria, therefore locking me out of the Black Set until THE END OF THE NEXT F***ING PLAYTHROUGH!!! F**K YOU GWYN!!!

                    • 13 Jan 2017 18:22  

                      I don't know what happened, but I've somehow lost the Soul of the Lords. I started NG+ and got a ways through the game when I went to equip the Firelink Greatsword, when it dawned on me that I never transposed his soul before starting NG+. So I went to Ludleth to do so, and I no longer have the Soul of the Lords :c

                      • 09 Jan 2017 21:28  

                        After playing all of the Souls series from the beginning, I was disappointed with this guy. Not sure why. He just doesnt feel like a Souls boss to me. Oh well. Cant please everyone I suppose.

                        • 01 Jan 2017 14:51  

                          Does killing this guy and staying in NG affect matchmaking in any way? Used to get invasions/invaded aplenty in Demon Ruins on my level 60 character, but afterwards, next to nothing.

                          • 22 Dec 2016 12:29  

                            I've tried and tried and tried every weapon I have, shield, stance, rolling...and to no avail...! I'm ready for some help. please...! If anyone would care to assist me in dispatching this final Soul, it would be greatly appreciated...!

                            My name is: JoeMaldo (PS4)

                            • 12 Dec 2016 20:35  

                              So after some research I haven't been able to find anything on it but his Armor is almost identical to the Alva set in dark souls 2 only more ragged and deformed. Is there some sort of connection? I've only played half of 2 and all of 3 so my dark souls lore isn't very refined. Any experts know?

                              • 12 Dec 2016 16:58  

                                I'm experiencing something really weird while him. I was fighting him with Friede's Great Scythe and summons (Yuria and Pale Shade) and I'm starting to suspect he's bugged to Frost Damage after the last patch. I do regular damage when suddenly I get a burst of 2300+ damage on him, but the health bar doesn't move and he seem to not be damage immune after the burst happens for a couple of seconds. I think it might be linked to the Frost proc on the weapon and it's bugging out the boss.

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