Orbeck of Vinheim

NPC
General Info
Health Souls Location Drops
2000 1000 Road of Sacrifices Orbeck's Ashes


Orbeck of Vinheim is an NPC in Dark Souls 3.

 

Orbeck's Information

 

Location

You can find Orbeck of Vinheim in the Road of Sacrifices, on the second floor of the room leading to the Crystal Sage boss-fight.  He will relocate to Firelink Shrine after talking to him if you have 10 Intelligence.

  • If you lack points in Intelligence, you can use the Scholar Ring to temporarily raise your Intelligence above 10, as he does not continue to check after he has moved to the Shrine.

Directions

From the Crucifixion Woods bonfire, follow the path until you reach the ruins, then turn right and cross the swamp until you reach the narrow set of stairs.  Climb the steps and proceed into the ruins.  Once you make it inside, continue forward, then turn left and follow the path leading deeper into the building.  When you reach the intersection with a single enemy wielding a spear and a shield, keep going straight until you find yourself on a rocky outcropping.  There will be a somewhat-obscured path to the right that leads up a flight of stairs towards Orbeck.

Orbeck's Questline

Once Orbeck is at Firelink Shrine, if Yuria is also there, she will ask you to "deal" with him and will reward you with the Morion Blade if you bring her his Ashes. Don't do this if you wish to continue giving him Scrolls to unlock new spells. Orbeck's ashes can be given to Yuria after he dies of natural causes, and she will still reward you with the weapon.

 

  1. Speak with him after buying three Sorceries, giving him one Scroll, and being any Non-Sorcerer starting class he will thank you and give you the Young Dragon Ring.
  2. After purchasing Farron Flashsword, Pestilent MistAural Decoy, and Spook he will ask you if you like gimmicks and will give you Slumbering Dragoncrest Ring, along with the Silent Ally gesture.
  3. He will disappear permanently from the game if: a) you defeat Abyss Watchers without giving him a scroll (in unpatched game version) b) you defeat any four bosses after recruiting him without giving him a single scroll for study. Only one scroll is required to prevent him from leaving. If he disappears from the game, you will not be able to get his ashes, and won't be able to complete Yuria of Londor's optional quest. Both the Golden Scroll and Sage's Scroll can be acquired in Farron Keep.
  4. Once all spells are purchased from him, he will acknowledge you as a friend and well-trained sorcerer. He will then leave Firelink Shrine, and you will be able to summon him for the Lothric, Younger Prince boss fight, just outside the large gate leading to the boss fog. You will also need to have defeated the Curse-Rotted Greatwood to see his summon sign.
  5. After defeating Lothric, Younger Prince, Orbeck's corpse will show up sitting at a table at the Grand Archives, on the upper floor where the four sorcery-using candlehead enemies are. From his corpse, his ashes can be looted.
    • If you do not purchase all his spells before this boss fight, he will remain in the Firelink Shrine and will not die. However, in NG+ and beyond, if you talk to him after giving him all four scrolls and having learned all of his spells in a prior playthrough, his departure will be triggered. Note that learned scrolls may be sold, so if you want Orbeck to remain in the Shrine, you might want to sell a spell that is of little use to you (not tested if this will work, needs confirmation).
    • If you do not proceed directly to the next NG, his corpse can be found at the said location even if you did not summon him for the boss fight.

 

Drops

  • Souls: NG 1000, NG+ (??), NG++ (??), NG+3 (??), NG+6 (??), NG+9 (??)
  • Orbeck's Ashes

 

Items Sold

Item Quantity Souls Requirement (Scroll)
Soul Arrow 1 1000 Default
Heavy Soul Arrow 1 2000 Default 
Farron Dart 1 500 Default 
Soul Greatsword 1 5000 Default 
Magic Weapon 1 3000 Default 
Magic Shield 1 3000 Default 
Spook 1 2000 Default 
Aural Decoy 1 2000 Default 
Great Soul Arrow 1 3000 Default
Great Heavy Soul Arrow 1 4000 Default
Farron Flashsword 1 3000 Default
Great Farron Dart 1 2000 Sage's Scroll
Farron Hail 1 5000 Sage's Scroll
Pestilent Mist 1 1000 After giving him any scroll
Cast Light 1 1000 Golden Scroll
Repair 1 2000 Golden Scroll
Hidden Weapon 1 1500 Golden Scroll
Hidden Body 1 3000 Golden Scroll
Twisted Wall of Light 1 6000 Golden Scroll
Homing Soulmass 1 6000 Logan's Scroll
Soul Spear 1 5000 Logan's Scroll
Homing Crystal Soulmass 1 18,000 Crystal Scroll
Crystal Soul Spear 1 15,000 Crystal Scroll
Crystal Magic Weapon 1 10,000 Crystal Scroll

Dialogue

First encounter

Well, this is unexpected. I don't often have visitors.
What do you want?
This is my study that you've happened upon.
If you haven't any business, I've reading to get back to."

(Nothing) "Yes, I see.
On your way, then.
This is my study, and I've plenty of reading to do."

(Talk) "Oh, enough of you, already.
Do you have business with me?"

(Ask to learn sorceries) "How intriguing.
Very well.
Indeed, I am a sorcerer. With plenty to share.
However...
What champion demands service without recompense?
Clearly you are not that sort of man/woman.
So, you will make me a promise.
That in exchange for my teaching, you will bring me knowledge.
In the form of scrolls detailing sorcery's secrets.
Well? Can you assure me of this?"

(Make no promise) "I can respect an honest man/woman.
But I've already put in more than my fair share of gratuitous service.
Be on your way, then.
Though you're welcome back if you change your mind."

(Talk) "Have you changed your mind?
If I am to teach you, you are to fetch me knowledge.
In the form of scrolls detailing the secrets of sorcery.
Can you make this promise?"

(Make a promise) "Very well.
You are no fool. I take it you understand the weight of a promise.
I am Orbeck of Vinheim.
Unkindled one, I shall teach you sorceries.
We will learn together, it shall be like our very own school."

[Ask to learn sorceries with insufficient intelligence]

You'd better not. Sorcery is not for everyone.
And should never be forced. You have your own methods.
Sorcery need not be one of them. Don't let it bother you.
Be on your way, then.
You're Unkindled. Shouldn't you get back to your duty?"

(Talk) "Oh, I thought you'd already given up.
Well, nothing has changed. You're not inclined for sorcery.
It is either a natural fit, or no fit at all.
Be on your way, then.
You're Unkindled. Souldn't you get back to your duty?"

(Talk after 10 int) "Well, well... There's something different bout you, isn't there?
Very well. (the rest is the same as if you had 10 int the first time you talked)

Upon arriving at Firelink Shrine

Oh, you're back, then.
Again, I'm Orbeck of Vinheim, here to teach you sorceries.Let us begin with the basics.
The ideal sorcerer bears the twin faces of the dragon...
...Oh you could at least act as if you are paying attention!"

Talk

I don't mean to seem overbearing, but have you forgotten?
In exchange for my sorceries, you are to bring me knowledge.
In the form of scrolls detailing the secrets of sorcery.
I hope you're not one to break a promise."

Greeting

Back again, I see.
Perfect timing, too. I'm in need of a diversion."

Leaving

Promise to stay safe."

When Crystal Sage has been defeated (not sure)

It is folly to claim lives recklessly, friend. Don not be tempted.
No matter the victim's stature, every killing has a consequence.
Even as I bloodied my hands, I never realised this simple truth.
Hmph. There I was, the very definition of a fool…"

When given Sage's scroll

Oh, my… This is stupendous.
Then the Undead Legion of Farron possesses sorceries quite unknown.
Thank you, for upholding your end of the bargain.
I doubt I ever would have made this discovery alone.
Now, let us unravel the thing, so you may put these new sorceries to use."

When given Golden scroll

Oh, my… This is stupendous.
It's from Oolacile, an ancient land of golden sorceries.
Not even the Dragon School possesses such a long-lost scroll.
What would the xanthous scholars say, with their ridiculous headwear.
They would simply slaver over this find."

When given Logan's scroll

Oh, my! You've made quite the discovery!
This is a scroll of the prodigious Big Hat Logan.
A masterful sorcerer, long missed in Vinheim.
And now, we have his scroll, right here in my very hands."

When given Crystal Scroll

Unfathomable.
This is a crystal sorcery, created by the pale dragon, thought only to exist in legend...
I am ever grateful to you. This is truly sublime.
I am afraid this is a debt I cannot repay, only...
I will be sure to unravel it for you. Just a moment."

Young Dragon Ring

Oh, I have something for you.
You're a fine sorcerer now, no mistake.
You should have something to prove it.
Go on. If I'm giving something away, you'd better well take it." (gift)

Silent Ally & Slumbering Dragoncrest Ring

How do you like gimmicks, friend?
This is a sign, a cipher employed by sorcerers who use quietude to their advantage. (gifts)
With this, you can be sure to tell friend from foe from your very first encounter.
It's a very old practice at this point...
...but one that you deserve to know."

Talk after ring and gesture

In Vinheim, I was an assassin.
A sorcerer only in name, a killer for hire.
What a fool I was, thinking one day I would learn real sorceries.
When I became Undead, I was exiled from the school.
But here I am, now, exploring the depths of sorcery.
All thanks to you, I might add.

After purchasing all scrolls

You are no ordinary man/woman (dependent on character's gender).
All of these sorceries, and you've mastered every one.
If this where the Dragon School, you'd be,...
..well, overtly despised, and banished from the place.
Well I suppose it's time I packed my bag.
I'd hate to see our agreement end sourly.
Better left tucked away as a pleasant memory."

Leaving after purchasing all scrolls

Promise to stay safe.
It's been nice running our own little school."

Greeting after purchasing all scrolls


Oh, what is it? Forgot something?"

Greeting after purchasing all scrolls (Third time and on)


Oh, what is it? Forgot something?
That would be quite like you."

Upon attacking

What is this about?"

"Is that how it is?" (first encounter)

Upon aggroing

Seems it's too late. Then, there is only one thing left to do.
With regret, I will end this here and now!"

"Then we are thorugh and done.
Enjoy your long sleep!" (first encounter)

Upon killing you

Farewell. We had a nice little school going."

"Gods, this business never did agree with me..." (first encounter)

Upon death

But, why...
Is that all I'm worth?"

"Ive lost...my touch..." (first encounter)

 

Notes & Trivia

  • If you are unable to meet Orbeck's intelligence requirement to get him back to Firelink Shrine, you can play the entire game and he will remain in his study at the Road of Sacrifices. You can then use the Scholar Ring you find later in the game to artificially boost your intelligence and return him to the Shrine. Be sure to immediately return and hand over any scrolls you have. It is unsure when he leaves after all bosses have already been defeated.
  • You don't have to summon him for the Twin Princes fight to get his ashes.
  • If his corpse doesn't appear at the Grand Archives, teleport back to Firelink Shrine and make sure that he left, then go back and his ashes should be there.
  • Orbeck confesses to being an assassin for Vinheim Dragon School. This lends credence to the theory that Griggs of Vinheim from Dark Souls I is also an assassin as they wear the same black robes associated with sorcerer assassins.

 

 

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    • Anonymous

      i ****yng hate that in ds3, just WHY? WHY THE DAMM NPCs disappear if we do something wrong or forgot to do something??? this is so anoying we lost a whole NG because of this bullshit

      • Anonymous

        Somehow managed to get him to stay in his original place up until Twin Princes door. I went back and Me and the homie did a crash course in becoming best pals, he moved in, i bought all his stuff, he called me a true G and then moved out and we 1-shot Twin Princes together. I miss you bro.

        • Anonymous

          Requirement for him to stay in firelink shrine: give him 1 magic scroll.

          Some of the comments: "ThIs iS tOo HaAaAaArRrRdDd!!!"

          • Anonymous

            estou tentando pega todas as conquista e no NG não falei com ele depois de ter comprado todas as magia então não peguei o anel e o gesto, mas no NG+ eu comprei todas as magias e falei com ele mas ele não deu o anel e o gesto, já sai do jogo e voltei e nada

            • To this day I still think this was the stupidest place questline in the whole of dark souls. If you were a first time player and either did the abyss watchers before sages, didnt jump to that ledge or even made it and then held off giving a book, he just peaces out forever. If you were a mage, that's like half your arsenal of the whole game gone.

              • Anonymous

                might just be a rendering trick, but when i am talking to Cornyx the pyromancy tutor, if i pan my camera over to orbeck, he moves, as if he is trying to conceal that he is spying on me while i talk to a different magic tutor. could also just be that his model is unloaded and he's returning to a default position to save resources. this is on ps4.

                • Anonymous

                  Um orbecks summon sign does NOT appear anywhere near the twin princes. If it is supposed to then you need to update the page with the proper requirements that need to be met for it to show.

                  • Anonymous

                    Anyone have information regarding what Yuria says when asking you to kill Orbeck? That he's claiming to be the Lord of Hollows

                    • Anonymous

                      Do I need to buy all of his spells in order for him to leave the shrine? Even after learning some of them elsewhere? Screw it, what's another 14500 souls anyway?

                      • Anonymous

                        "It is folly to claim lives recklessly, friend. Don not be tempted.
                        No matter the victim's stature, every killing has a consequence.
                        Even as I bloodied my hands, I never realised this simple truth.
                        Hmph. There I was, the very definition of a fool…"

                        I think that quote shows up after Yuria of Londor tells me to kill Orbeck of Vinheim not just because the first Crystal Sage has been defeated.

                        • Anonymous

                          I had several sorceries in my storage box, and then I opened the first door to the twin princes before going back to shrine to buy the last spell. Orbeck had some dialogue as though I bought all spells, but he never left shrine and his sign did not appear at princes. Hm.

                          • Anonymous

                            He says something different upon death if you kill him after purchasing all possible spells, but before he departs: "So be it. It was nice while it lasted."

                            • Anonymous

                              I really love when he first encounter at him he treat us a like a normal person after some learning or purchasing some spell and giving him some scroll he treat us now a true friend

                              • Anonymous

                                "You can find Orbeck of Vinheim in the Road of Sacrifices on the second floor of the nearby ruins near the Crucifixion Woods bonfire. Go to the ruins that lead to the Crystal Sage boss. You will reach a room that has four doorways and an enemy with a spear and shield. One leads to the boss, one leads to a crystal lizard, and one leads to a room of enemies and the other leads to the second floor of the ruins and Orbeck." just say how to get to him, not a paragraph where 80% is the way not to get to him??????????????????????????????????????

                                • Anonymous

                                  I purchased all of his spells after beating Lorian and Lothric and he still went off to the Archives, so I guess you don't have to do it before then. On a side note, buying one copy of each spell isn't enough - he can sell you multiple copies of certain sorceries and you have to to buy all of them until there's not a single one left highlighted.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    In two run throughs now, I have given him the Sage's Scroll, and both times he didn't accept it. He gave me some dialogue which I didn't really take much notice of. And also the scroll then disappears totally from the game.

                                    • Anonymous

                                      It's a shame you can't learn sorceries from someone else now I have all the four scrolls but he is missing probably I forgot to give him a scroll, with this 16 hours is just wasted thank you dark souls.

                                      • Anonymous

                                        So I gave him a third scroll, beat Yhorm, Aldrich, and the Dancer. I HAVE to beat Dragonslayer before I can give him the forth one. Since that will make 4 bosses before I give him another one, the quest is done for, right?

                                        • Anonymous

                                          He is still in firelink shrine after i defeated abyss watchers without giving him scroll before that. please change your outdated info.

                                          • Anonymous

                                            They should put Karla in either Cornyx or Orbeck location. The 2 male now looking at each other everyday, I'm sure some bromance has happened. lmao

                                            Btw I forgot to give him a scroll before defeating AbyssWatchers, but he is still in Firelink Shrine after that.

                                            • orbeck is an example of a character who, when you look at them straight they look fine but from other angles its like whoever made the character forgot what a human looks like

                                              heh

                                              • Anonymous

                                                It’s ‘were’ not ‘where’

                                                “Were you the one who took my scroll?”

                                                “Where did you run off to”

                                                See the difference?

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  I bought all of his spells after giving him four scrolls and then defeated Lothric (without being able to summon Orbeck) and now he still sits at Firelink Shrine. Guess, he has to die now..

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    I defeated prince lothric first, then I bought all of his spell and exhausted his dialogue he game me a gesture and a ring. Hes left firelink shrine and I found him sitting dead in Grand Archive.

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      the dialog "It is folly to claim lives recklessly, friend. Don not be tempted.
                                                      No matter the victim's stature, every killing has a consequence.
                                                      Even as I bloodied my hands, I never realised this simple truth.
                                                      Hmph. There I was, the very definition of a fool…" will appear when yuria talk to you about orbeck, not by defeat crystal sage

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        So I forgot to give him scrolls before killing Abyss Watchers but I immediately returned to shrine after defeating the boss and he was still there and I gave him Sage's Scroll. But before killing the boss I have bought every spell he sells. So buying every spell he sells without giving him a scroll can prevent him to vanish I suppose?

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          thats cute, so how tf am I supposed to buy sorceries if the dumb **** is gone now. was paying way too much attention to speed running a ng+ and now gotta find this **** all over again.

                                                          • They really should have made it so he would go to firelink without needing 10int, and still have him require scrolls to stay. That way the people who dont use magic can do his quest or get morion blade from yuria(a weapon pure quality builds would want). Some quest guidelines are far too strict in dark souls 3. I guess its trade off for having respec though.

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              Is it just me or is he bugged? Because I bought the spells and more needed for Young Dragon Ring, and Slumbering Dragoncrest Ring, but he hasn't said or given me anything or said anything besides the basic dialogue.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                If I played online, I'd play a Watchdog of Farron whose name would be:

                                                                Orbeck's_School_of_Sorcery_Truant_Officer

                                                                • I went to this guy (firelink shrine) to check how many souls I need for a new sorcery. Then I went to Shrine Handmaid to sell souls. When I rushed back to him, he says "Oh, what is it? Forgot something?" See if you want to add this to his dialogue...

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Was weird - I am doing a quick NG+ runthrough just to get +1 rings, and forgot all about him. Took out Crystal Sage, Abyss Watchers, Deacons, Wolnir and Sulivayn, and he was still there. Went and got the Golden Scroll, and all good. I had skipped a lot of things, not taken out the Stray demon, and Greyrat is still asking to do his first outing. Maybe skipping enough things and he doesn't leave. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      I played through the entire game thinking there were only about 5 spells and 3 were good because I didn’t find this guy hidden in the ruins. Because of this I’m salty and ds3 was my least favorite in the series.

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        So he can stay at the first location all game if i got 9 int?! So in that case i can beat grand archives then talk to him?

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          He does leave after you purchase all of his sorceries. I purchased them all after the Lothric princes fight, and he still left. Haven’t figured out where he went though

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            I completelly forgot him, and still have found him in his place just after accessing Kiln of the First Flame

                                                                            • Great phantom. Doesn't do a ton of damage but he never dies and pulls tons of aggro. I just sat back and bombed them with chaos vestiges for 3 rounds ezpz

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                *****I was going for a sorcere build, but now he is gone, I didn’t find any scrolls so far.... This is unfair, now I won’t be able to do a sorcerer....

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  on my first playing darksouls as warrior this guy eats my greataxe on face who have more int now you dead fuk

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    Im not entirely sure if this is written in the wiki but I found something interesting : If you talk to Orbeck then leave and then talk to him again, he will say something along the lines of "Forgotten something?". I keep repeating this and noticed that he changes his second line after "Forgotten something?" into "That is quite much like you." and proceeded to laugh...

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      "You will reach a room that has four doorways and an enemy with a spear and shield. One leads to the boss, one leads to a crystal lizard, and one leads to a room of enemies and the other leads to the second floor of the ruins and Orbeck." I'm sorry, but this is a horrible description lol. Wouldn't be so bad if there was some language like "Left, right, straight from the entrance"... Oh well, guess my retarded ass has to go to Youtube :(

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        forgot to give him a scroll, got all the way to pontiff and checked shrine and he was gone, fml, i have 2 scrolls i cant even use.

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          He also has this greeting line when speaking to him a second time without reloading the area: "Oh, what is it? Forgot something? That would be quite like you. (Laughs)" With the different farewell of "Come again."

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            I was giving him a scroll and as he was talking I accidentally hit him which made him aggro. But I didn't kill him, what do I do?

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              So, I thought I couldn't do anything with him since my Int was too low, and he DID NOT disappear from my game. I killed up to Princes, and he was still hanging out by Crystal Sage and was ready to go to Firelink. I unfortunately opted to kill him since I thought I couldn't use him anymore, but I'm going to try and replicate it later to see if he can be sent to Firelink so late in the game.

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                After I bought most of sorceries and spoke to him immediately after leaving, his dialogue added a bit I haven't heard before and wasnt on the list. Normally he just says "Oh, what is it? Forgot something?" But he added "That would be quite like you." And chuckled a bit. I'm not sure if the change comes from giving him all the scrolls or buying a certain number of spells.

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  Wow I played through the game several times, never having an issue with completing his questline fully and easily. I thought I knew all the do and do nots, but I never knew about the "defeating any four bosses without giving him a scroll" thing. I have heard of many people complaining about the ways they messed up this quest, but never heard a whisper about there being a boss count tied to his quest. You guys really did your research when it comes to what can and cannot break an NPC questline. So basically, on NG++, i recruit him, then decide to play through the DLC bosses, come back and just do the deacons boss and he is out. That boy done gone forever yo.

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    His departing dialogue at first is, "come again," but after a while changes to, "promise to stay safe." I'm not sure if the change happens after you give him a certain amount of scrolls, or after you purchase a certain amount of sorceries. I just thought it was interesting

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      I killed twin princes and bought all this stuff after. He still left and i could still find his ashes in grand archives

                                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                                        To clarify on Orbeck's spawning rate inconsistencies... > If you DO NOT TALK TO HIM AT ALL before defeating the bosses that would trigger his de-spawning, he will not ever actually despawn to my knowledge. > If you SPEAK TO HIM FIRST before proceeding through the game, e.g. killing the Abyss Watchers, he WILL DESPAWN. I've had the displeasure of encountering both incidents, due to my nature of gathering the last scroll before it occurs to me to actually hand them in after bringing him to Firelink. Whoops.

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          Lore wise, I'm confused about why Yuria wants you to kill him. She says he claims to be a lord of hollows but there's nothing to indicate that he is.

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            Just reinforcing what some said here. I didn't know about him before killing the abyss watchers. I read this here and kind of freaked out. But he was there at his place to be recruted. I did so and he was at firelink shrine, where I gave him the scrolls.

                                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                                              I beat all the bosses (including DLC) except for the last one and he was still in his original spot in the Crucifixion Woods.

                                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                                So I cleared all bosses up to the final fight in the base game , cleared the ashes dlc and got stuck on the dragon in the 2nd dlc. Decided to respect to int build and was still able to find and recruit him.

                                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                                  Remove that tip, he can't be found if you kill the abyss watchers, so no you can't use the scholar's ring to meet his 10 int req. What should be there is either to just get 10 int and respec at rosaria later or to choose a starting class other than cleric/heald/knight to meet his req.

                                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                                    Do you have to buy all his spells from him? What if I bought spells that he sells from other vendors? Do I have to buy them again from him just to progress the quest line?

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