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My theory: we do fight the real Ornstein in DS1 and he leaves the cathedral afterwards.

How is that possible? In DS1, the O&S is supposed to be one of several tests to determine if a prospective undead is capable of linking the fire. If the chosen undead is the second person to link the fire after Gwyn, it wouldn't make sense if it were possible to kill O&S completely. The fire would eventually fade again and new Lords of Cinder would need to link the fire. If O&S died, they wouldn't be around to test the next prospective Lords.

So you're probably thinking that the only way this is possible is if they were an illusion created by Gwyndolin. Well not necessarily. That is certainly possible, but remember that if you "kill" Gwyndolin without attacking Gwynevere, Anor Londo never goes dark and the illusion of Gwynevere remains. Meaning we must not actually kill Gwyndolin despite gaining his soul. Gwyndolin likely protects himself in some capacity and we only gain a portion of his soul similar to Seeth gaining a piece of Gwyn' soul. In DS3 we do find out that Gwyndolin is still alive (for the moment).

This is likely the same for O&S. But then the question becomes why does Ornstein leave afterwards? Well we can only speculate but it's possible he harbored doubts about the linking of the fire. After he saw the trickery that was employed to get the Chosen Undead to link the fire, maybe he had enough. Maybe the linking of the fire was also what lead the Nameless King to turn away from the gods. It's possible Ornstein realized he was right after this happened and set out to make it right.

But of course that's only a theory, a game theory.

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My theory: we do fight the real Ornstein in DS1 and he leaves the cathedral afterwards.

How is that possible? In DS1, the O&S is supposed to be one of several tests to determine if a prospective undead is capable of linking the fire. If the chosen undead is the second person to link the fire after Gwyn, it wouldn't make sense if it were possible to kill O&S completely. The fire would eventually fade again and new Lords of Cinder would need to link the fire. If O&S died, they wouldn't be around to test the next prospective Lords.

So you're probably thinking that the only way this is possible is if they were an illusion created by Gwyndolin. Well not necessarily. That is certainly possible, but remember that if you "kill" Gwyndolin without attacking Gwynevere, Anor Londo never goes dark and the illusion of Gwynevere remains. Meaning we must not actually kill Gwyndolin despite gaining his soul. Gwyndolin likely protects himself in some capacity and we only gain a portion of his soul similar to Seeth gaining a piece of Gwyn' soul. In DS3 we do find out that Gwyndolin is still alive (for the moment).

This is likely the same for O&S. But then the question becomes why does Ornstein leave afterwards? Well we can only speculate but it's possible he harbored doubts about the linking of the fire. After he saw the trickery that was employed to get the Chosen Undead to link the fire, maybe he had enough. Maybe the linking of the fire was also what lead the Nameless King to turn away from the gods. It's possible Ornstein realized he was right after this happened and set out to make it right.

But of course that's only a theory, a game theory.

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WELCOME TO THE JAM

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Come on and slam.....

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At this point the Ornstein mystery has far transcended to what the scooby do gang can accomplish

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Ornstein is ***

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note: to people spitting false theories about stormdrake spitting lightning, thats completely false. the stormdrake spits fire. nameless king shoots lightning bolts from the dragon. the dragon doesnt produce lightning itself.

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My theory about ornstein

1. In dark souls 1 the ornstein was a illusion created by Gwyndolin. Evidence? Smough’s armor mentions he was the last knight to stand in defence of the ruined cathedral. No mention of ornstein. “But why did ornstein have a soul then?” The Dragonslater Armour boss proves to us that regular objects can be given a soul and can fight while being controlled by an outside force.

2. Dark souls 2. Ornstein had already set off to find nameless king before the boss fight in dark souls 1. He presumably wanted him to return and lead in Gwyn’s place but he had already gone mad, so they both fought. Ornstein realized that lightning was ineffective and meddled in dark magic, (one of the nameless king’s weaknesses) which explains why old dragon slayer uses it in Ds2. The reason old dragonslayer’s armor was black is probably because he got scorched by nameless king’s lightning, or nameless king’s storm drake. He was most likely not meant to be defeated in Ds2 seeing as he was an optional bos, so let’s go with the assumption that he wasn’t. (Also explains why old dragon slayer used a Lance and why the dragon slayer spear can be found near nameless king’s arena).

Dark souls 3. During his journey, his armor became weakened and battered, so he left it behind… only for it to be picked up by the pilgrim butterflies. The pilgrim butterflies picked up or created a axe and a shield, then gave made it the weapons of the dragon slayer armor. It is very likely the dragon slayer armor was ornstein’s old armor because there are countless similarities. The lion teeth, the burnt red ponytail, the thigh plating, the lower body chain mail, etc.

So, ornstein created or got someone to create new armor, brand new, golden and exactly like the one in ds1.

Finally he found the nameless king once more and had a fight. If he won then it would’ve been ornstein that we fought in nameless king’s armor.

If he lost, then he was either scorched to ashes by the dragoon’s fire or nameless king’s lightning, or ornstein manage to slay the nameless king’S Storm drake and the nameless king turned ornstein into a new storm drake…

That’s all. Any thoughts on this?

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My theory is based off of anonymous' theory however it makes no sense to me that someone sworn to defend against dragons and the og lord of cinder's (Gwyn) right hand man would bring back the dragons after the war between gods and dragons. My theory is what if instead of seeking out the nameless king to serve under him, what if he went to fight instead and lost... What if he was stripped from his armor beyond his own will and turned into a dragon cursed to forever fight against the gods thus bringing forth the storm drake in dark souls 3.

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i have a crazy theory, what if Ornstein left the cathedral of Anor Londo and decided to track down the nameless king to serve him, finding him at archdragon peak and learning the way of the dragon. after all of this Ornstein sheds his armor and becomes the storm drake that the King uses. proof? well Ornstein left his armor behind, the storm drake uses lightning same as Ornstein, and we know that a lot of people tried to become dragons but failed, what if, with his power, Ornstein was able to become a dragon and serve his king! (sorry for poor grammar)

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doesnt this set seem more shiny then in dark souls 1(remastered)

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My only problem with this armor are the shoulder pads. Ornstein had them lifted, why can't we have it too?

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Helmet looks amazing with dragonscale (nameless's) armor, the size and color scheme fits perfectly

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I miss Ornstein well at least hes with his old master where he belongs

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Nice

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So, i little wild thought i ll just throw out there:

Faraam's knights were also known as lion knights, but this armor resembles a golden lion, maybe different from the one decipted in faraam set.

We could theorize said lion would be the lion of forossa, a land mentioned in ds2 as a kingdom that venerated a god of war.

if said god of war was the sun's first born, then maybe it's true crime was not the alliance with dragons, but rather an attempt to bring new beings similar to them. Ds1 s sanctuary guardian could be what faraam created in his early attempts, as a great flying lion capable of wielding the gods's lightning. Of course, it's possibly a failed experiment as such being was closer to a demon than a dragon (a barbed scorpion tail, goat-like horns and glowing red eyes, wich has nothing to do with a feline's anatomy. Thus, decipting a vicious beast with no place in the world).

If ornstein were truly to become the king of the storm, i'd say the resulting being was a more successful attempt. Not to create a dragon, but a descendant of such race with slight differences: the wings have feathers instead of membranes, the skin is covered not only in scales, but also in fur. And distinctive horns wich are twisted like a goat, rather than the traditional straight or curved horns of a dragon.

These details led me to think that what ornstein truly transformed in was what the easterners called an oni. Despite having the form of a dragon, it has some characteristics more akin to demons. Wich would give sense to what the japanese word "oni" refers to, as such creatures aren't demons per-se, but rather other beings derivated from them.

What i just said might just be a pile of bullsht, but i'll juat throw it over here.

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Can someone suggest a good headpiece to go with this set?
The lothric knight helm looks good but the color is off

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Still a reminder: the red plume is not a plume.. it's his hair you ****ing idiots.

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Really good poise for a "light heavy" type of heavy armor, especially the chest.

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red hair/plume??



Elden ring protagonist is ornstein confirmed

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Really wish this set would be available earlier, I just want to go through Irithyll cosplayed as him ...

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Anyone have a good weapon suggestion to compliment this?

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This armor makes your waist small and enlarge your butt at the same time

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I wish this set was in DS2, it was sorely missed.

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What armor is the helmet good with?

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Just making an observation, but Ornstein's name is "Griffith", which means"Strong lord" Welsh, or as a Griffin, which is a legendary creature that has the head of an eagle, and body of a lion. Also Ornstein's gender is only confirmed with the Leo ring description in these games, which is very strange since it's not on his armor or anywhere else. Lastly, Ornstein's hair Might actually be red, as it was patched in in 3, but was never there in 1 or remastered, so We can make the educated guess that his hair is red.

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This, Havel's, Fallen k***ght or Artorias' set is what almost every ganker wears. Not saying that they are bad for fashion or sets in general.

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D!ckslayer P0rnstein

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i will kill the namless king just for this armour

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I appreciate that this community came together to give this armor a plume. Fix bull*****mechanics? naw.

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throwback to dark souls 1 & 2 and im very glad that he added this armor in ds3. remembrance of Orenstein the dragon slayer. And the fat guy that know cares about.

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bet fashion souls is the nameless king's crown or ringed knight hood, dragonslayer chest piece, lorian's leggings, and the dragonslayer gauntlets

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This armor suffers the same drawbacks as Havel's for fashion. Looms great, but the tassels are W A Y too big and the pauldrons need to stick out more to really shape the armor better than this

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But...but...we killed them in DS 1...they didn't go in search of the nameless king

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Am I the only bothered by the fact that the teeth in the helmet have slots in between as if to see out, but your character's eyes only go up to mid-neck?

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Ornstein...is one thicc bih

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"Possesses a valueable lightning resistance and weight for it's relative weight" - weight for weight ? What is that supposed to mean ?

Also, "valuable", not valueable.

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Put these on female character, it makes your bum surprisingly thicc

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The lightning and magic resistances on the entire set stats is wrong.

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The legend never dies.

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Any1 one know the full weight of the armor?

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Possesses a valueable lightning resistance and weight for it's relative weight
Wat

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And the armour still has a higher fire defense over lightning defense. Of course.

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DId the fanbase actually have a tantrum because they didnt want ornstien to have red hair

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*Armor gets buffed* Nobody cares.

*Armor gets Helmet Plume patched in Aesthetically* OMFG WEAR IT WEAR IT WEAR IT

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Not to be that one annoying guy who starts making up dumb excuses for Lore to make sense but it legitimately leaves me wondering why we find Ornsteins Armour, but NOT his body, implying that the Armor and Body were seperated at some point. It's probably nothing I'll shut up.

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this page need a REAL update because every stats of the set have changed (like the torso give 17% to slash and thrust for exemple)

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This set has the plume now!

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I just used this vs soul of cinder and it has a surprising amount of fire resis, according to the wiki. Wich i fin funny, because he was weakish to fire in ds1.

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You people realize that the armor set in DS1 didn't have the plume either right?

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Golden (piece name) associated with Plumeslayer Plumestein, from the age of plumes, and imbued with the strength of plume.

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Visions of plume therefore try tears

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THE PLUME HAS RETURNED

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Praise the plume!!!!!!!

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WE DID IT! THE PLUME WAS ADDED :D

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Why does everybody think it's a plume or hair on the boss? It's obviously the dark magic of the abyss that's controlling the armor or a link through which the weird abyss butterfly monsters that die when you kill the armor are controlling it.

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Coming soon to an invasion near you: with 29 vitality and both ring of favor and havels you can do a dragon armour cosplay.

Two things, though:

1. you will need ng+ to get both shield and axe. Might as well get the +1 rings and save some vitality there.

2. This is a freaking tank build. You dont see the armour rolling and neither will you at 99 65% weight ratio. But this makes it viable for a lvl 120 character.

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Use an outrider helmet with the set and you get a fashion souls with stats

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One of the best looking armor sets. I swap the helm for the Dancer's Crown to save a little on weight and it looks freakin' bad ass.

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I personaly love this set and want it bad, but i only just beat Dragonslayer Armour :

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Looking for a good fashion build including the torso of the dragonslayer set. Any recommendations?

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I finally realized why the armor don´t have the plume. It is because it wasn´t a plume! It was Ornstein hair!!

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maybe we didn't kill Ornstein in dark souls 1.What if Lord Gwyn knew his 4 knights would be hunted and trained body doubles to take their place.Then while Ornstein was looking for the Nameless King they dueled and Ornstein lost.That would explain the bit about his gear just on the ground.And his/her hair decomposed so Ornstein should've been dead for a long time.Ornstein died from the Nameless King before our character woke up in dark souls 3

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So based on the location, did Ornstein find his former mentor and die in a rematch?

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Random fact ornteis sees through the teeth of his helmet

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why does the dragonslayer armour boss have WAY cooler looking armour!!!

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Unless FROMsoft is contradicting their own artwork from the official art book they released, this image: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/darksouls/images/0/08/Ornstein_Concept_Art.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131219120729

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I don't believe it is Ornstein's hair, because nobody's hair is that red. If it was horse's hair or another animal's, it would have decomposed. And it decomposed because he died.

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does firelink armour give us a plus damage when our health low?

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maybe the plume is actually his hair because even gwyn had super long hair so it wouldn't be inconceivable that a man had long hair at tht time

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I don't think the plumage was his hair, unless Ornstein was in a punk band before he became a knight.

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this armor is right next to arteries edgy armor of no(o)bility

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I think it's a shame, that the red feathers Ornstain has at the back of his head aren't included in his set. Would have been great, especially with DS3 physics

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Although I haven't compared it to every armor set, it's stats are pretty ***** good.

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Am i the only 1 that wants the same shoulder thing that Ornstein had in DKS1? Just look at the Players wearing Ornstein's set and then look at Ornstein wearing his own set. Just take a look at the shoulder thing.

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Why does fromsoft do this inconsistent bull?? Same with Artorias' "left hand" sword in Dks2...Ornstein never went in search of the nameless king because the Chosen Undead killed him at the 'ruined cathedral.'That is CANON, you can't take that ***** back fromsoft...... For people who have great 'attention to detail' they sure suck at it.

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It would be helpful if the location was actually described in a way that made sense, and the video is toitally useless.

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I hope they add in a way to get the Bosses version of the armor.

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If the only thing the DLC added was the plume, I would be happy.

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STILL NO *****ING PLUME!? THE HELL FORMSOFT!?Really if the Dancer set can have a see through cape, why can't this have this have the *****ed plume that we've been begging for?

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This is a nice looking set. Anyone thats playing say how good this set stacks up to other full sets...?

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Never shall random scrub #125788 be as fashionable as Ornstein and have a plume. I approve. Katana + Havel's Shield Ornstein would break my heart.

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Probably my favourite armour set

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Every dark souls game has a completely different timeline than the last game. So basically yes, the dev team can do whatever crazy ***** they want and use that excuse to get away with it.

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Again !?

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What lvl requirements are needed for this armor?

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COME ON AND SLAM!! AND WELCOME TO THE JAM!!

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The problem with Old Dragonslayer being Ornstein is that his armour was never found. Whilst his original armour appears to be left at Archdragon Peak.Not only this, but why would he travel to Drangleic (a land across the sea) when the Nameless King is only hanging out at Archdragon Peak? Archdragon Peak is visible from Anor Londo..... not far away.

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Just gote done with this Doc, took 3 hours. Please someone make use of this:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nalfJJoosizvNUu2nl9yDBSDJiaQ9M7OoC3ub7XD748/edit

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So, from the description, it sounds like Ornstein could have become the Old Dragonslayer.

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Why FromSoft? We've got cloth physics why didn't you give us the plume on the helmet?!

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So by the way the description is posted here, it looks like the Ornstein in Anor Londo was an illusion. He left the cathedral, leaving Smough to defend the princess with an illusion of Ornstein. That would make the Old Dragonslayer from DS2 the real Ornstein, who on his journey to find his nameless king stopped in Drangleic and was corrupted by the Abyss or willingly took its power. These are at least my thoughts on it.

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I wish they would have put the red ponytail on the back of the helmet. That would have been cool...

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I think I will go with...Uchigatana RH1Pyromancy flame LH1Farron Greatsword RH2Silver kite shield LH2Golden CrownDragonslayer chest/gauntlets/boots

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Im definitely using this set with nameless king spear, drg slayer spear and faith based spells :DDDDDDD

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