Refined Gem | Dark Souls 3 Wiki

Quality in ds3 is at the same disadvantage as it is in elden ring, there are but a few weapons like Gotthard twinswords that outperform heavy/sharp infusion with refined at softcapped str/dex. People are coping

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Pretty damn annoying for early game quality builds that all but one refined gem is locked behind lothric castle and dlc

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The funniest part about this is that it mentions the Lothric Knights specifically use this for their weapons...but both are strongest as sharp.

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The quality build was good in DS3. You had to invest more levels than a pure Str or Dex build, but for that, you got a wider variety of weapons to choose from. You could basically use anything! And the quality build got some potent unique options, namely the Black Knight weapons. Quality was not the only or best melee build, but it was good and fun.

Elden Ring said if you want to use the quality infusion you better be ready to grind to 99/99 so that you get 22 more AR than a keen infusion. Lol. Lmao

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The farming video is private.

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Winged Knight Halberd seems to be benefit a lot with this gem

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Winged Knight Halberd seems to be benefit a lot with this gem

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why isn't this the best physical damage infusion gem in the game.. by far? if i spend FOURTY points in strength and dexterity (60 levels if deprived) it means i want to hard commit to melee. hell i'd even go higher if the returns weren't so bad. might as well put points in FTH, put points in either DEX or STR and buff your weapons for higher AR. ESPECIALLY in pvp, where you're fighting players and not bosses who are immune or resistant to stuff.

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This infusion is so bad .. at 20/20 (strength / dexterity) the AR is better with heavy or sharp infusion for just about any weapon. Same goes for 30/30. Same goes for 40/40. Clearly it is an infusion of only NG + or more. At this point it is better to go 40/12 or 12/40 and you will get good results

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So you get one refined weapon until the castle unless you're very lucky or dedicated. Fun

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whoever made dropchances for things in this game deserves to grind proofs of concord for the rest of their lives.

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Quality build may not be the best build but it's the most fun in my opinion

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Under NOTES it says "When comparing AR at Blacksmith Andre for infusions, be aware that the damage increase that will occur by two handing a weapon is not taken into account."

This is incorrect and needs to be updated. If you are two-handing your weapon, the two-handed stats will be shown. If you are one-handing, it shows the one-handed stats. As soon as you upgrade or infuse a weapon that is equipped, the game will shift to a one-handed stance (presumably because the weapon's ID changed and there's some sort of backside unequip/re-equip going on).

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Can you still buff a refined weapon
(resins, magic buffs, etc)

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What are some good build+weapons to infuse this with?

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so if you two hand your weapons, why would you put 40 points in strength instead of 27? (for pvp)

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Honorable Chad Quality Builds > Scrubby Dark Build Casuals

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if you guys running a quality build with varaties of weapon I suggest you farm this on twin princess bonfire then outside 3 lothric knights, throw a alluring skull in the middle stairs, use rapport and let them kill each other, stack item discovery as much as possible, having 2 crystal sage, gold ring +3, mimic helm and popping up rusted coins, you'll get like 470+ item discovery! this can be done within 50secs.

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I farm these at Dragon Barracks bonfire. Run up the stairs, do a 180, backstab/beat the crap out of the red eyed spear wielding lothric knight. Rinse and repeat. Safest and easiest place to farm these by far.

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The stairs in front of Twin Princes is a good spot to farm. 367 item discovery I have gotten 3 refined gems after around 30 mins. Also getting some lightning gems and titanite chunks.

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the shrine handmaid will sell 3 refined gems after you give her the captain ashes

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What infusions would anyone put on great swords and ultra great swords

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You can also buy 3 from the handmaden after giving her the captains ashes from ashes of ariandel

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The Blue Knight next to emma does indeed drop Refined Gems, but it took like 7 kills to net 1 Refined Gem for me.

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i went searching high and low through the grand archives before looking at the grand archives map on this website. i can't find a crystal lizard that drops the refined gem. i guess i'm off to go farm.

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why minmax when you can quality build

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"They can be farmed from the Red Eyed Lothric Knight outside of the Dancer of the Boreal Bonfire. Just a very rare drop. Stack as much discovery as possible." First try baby xD

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Level 37. Been farming that dumb blue-caped knight in the High Wall of Lothric for 2 hours. Nothing. As I've just arrived at the Cathedral of the Deep, I rolled through AoA all the way to Captain's Ashes on the top of that tower on my first try. Should have done that at the beginning. 3 refined gems on top of the initial guaranteed drop from that knight is more than enough for early-to-mid game.

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Which enemy has the highest drop rate of this gem?

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Probably ideal to mention that for those with Ariandel, the captain's ashes allow you to buy 3 for 5000 a pop. As for why the bigstrong guys with their bigstrong weapons would allow for anything even remotely dex is beyond me. Either way, you can stop farming now.

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also droped from lotrhic knights in ringed city dlc dreg heap unknown how rare

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I went to kill the red eyed knight outside dancer and whats ya know, he also drops a refined gem, what are the chances pf that?

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with 314 item discovery, I managed to get 8 sets of lothric knight armour before I got a refined gem from the red eyed knight for the second time so unless I was very unlucky, the drop rate is incredibly low.

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Confirmed guaranteed drop from the Blue Red Eyed Knight in High Wall of Lothric, once every first kill in a New Game.
Droprate from the same knight is roughly 5-8% with 310 Item Discovery per kill. Farmable from either Vordt of the Boreal Valley or Dancer of the Boreal Valley bonfire.

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Page mentions that it is dropped from Lothric Knights in Lothric Castle, unsure of whether this specifically refers to the Red-Eyed one at the beginning or just to the Blue Armor Red-Eye variants, but otherwise this absolutely can't be true. Killed 100 of them and no drop, also the page for Lothric Knights doesn't list these as a drop.

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Gotthard twinswords + 40 Str/40 Dex build + refined gem: absolute monster

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Would this be a good buff for the Claymore??

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The shrine handmaiden sells three when you give her the captain's ashes from the dlc

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It's possible to get refined from the knights in high wall

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"Refined weapons have a balanced, mid range, Strength and Dexterity scaling."HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA that's adorable, Fextra.

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Refining caestus changes it to skilled caestus? Is this true? and if so can it be added to the notes section

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I'm pretty sure the greatsword-wielding knight outside twin princes only drops lightning gems. Killed him about 60-70 times with 360 discovery and got 6-7 lightning gems off him and no refined. The other three obviously drop refined gems though.

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The kneeling open visor lothric knight just to the left of the bonfire has a higher chance to drop a refined gem. I got 2 refined gemsfor about 15 tries. I had the gold serpent ring equipped though.

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Hello, i don't know if someone said this already but, from the 1.09 patch you can get this stone from the blue knight outside the dancer bonfire in the high wall of lothric (sorry if my spelling is bad, not my first language)

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I used this on manikin claws, but instead of refined, they say skilled as the adjective.

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Is by far the area near the twin princes bonfire I got 3 refined gems in one run!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIQpcT-QX5g here is the location of the knights that drop them, it seems the spear ones drop it the most often while the ultra greatsword ones drop it the least

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Is this useful on them or what infusion should i take and should i infuse505052258

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How every weapon becomes viable with this and a 40/40 quality build. Never mind the fact that 1/2 of all weapons in this game are quality based too. I can only hope for a DLC right now...

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Just had a refined gem dropped randomly from the red-eyed Lothric Knight left of Emma -- can someone confirm this is possible?

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The red eyed knight with spear by Dragon Barracks Bonfire in Lothric Castle. There's only one but it's very close to the bonfire (Close enough to reap the effect of a rusted coin with 2 runs). Got a gem on my 2nd try with 307 discovery with Covetous Gold Serpent Ring, Symbol of Avarice, and Rusted Coin. Might've gotten lucky though

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been farming the red eyed blue knight outside dancer bonfire, 41 runs and i got 5 refined gems. good enough spot for me.

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I must have killed him about 80 times trying to get the refined gem but still nothing. Thanks DS3 wiki.

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Actually you can farm Refined gems from the red eyed knight with a spear that sists before the two drakes in lothric castle . I got one yesterday.

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For this i wore the symbol of avaria, had the crystal sage's rapier equipped in my left hand, had the Covetous gold serpent ring on and burned through a bunch of rusted coins.After approximately 30 tries i finaly got a refined gem drop (this is in my first playthrough, no NG+)I also got 5 Lothric Knight Shields, 4 Lothric Knight Helms, 3 Lothric Knight Armors, 4 Lothric Knight Gauntlets, 3 Lothric Knight Leggings, 2 Lothric Knight Swords and a couple embers.So for those wondering, just keep trying and eventually you'll get a drop :)

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Is arguably the best infusion overall, due to high level 40/40 Str/Dex builds being so common, and the fact that you can still buff them with something like Crystal Magic Weapon.Makes me wonder if the other infusions will be buffed later on, or this one will be nerfed.

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207 Item Discovery Just Beat The Final Boss, And It Dropped One First Run (Already Killed It When i First Started Char) So They Are Farmable

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I decided to try farming the greatsword red eye knight by the dragonslayer armor boss, he did drop a refined gem so i'm pretty sure all red eye knights drop them.

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Killed the guy tens of times and when you least expected it, it dropped. Was using symbol of avarice and normal coin. Item Discovery was 257

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I think the spear knight is hiding the gems from me....

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I used the Symbol of Avarice, Covetous Gold Serpent ring, and the Crystal Sage's Rapier (in my left hand, didn't want to upgrade) to bring my Item discovery up. And ran back and forth between the Vordt of the Boreal Valley bonfire and Red Eye Knight. Takes about 1 min 30 sec, and the life drain from the helmet wasn't too bad, you might only need 1 Estus flask during the loop. I had 2 Gems within 10 min (Maybe i was lucky?) But it is definitely farmable from this location. With soul boosting equipment, each run will give you around 2000 souls as well, so it's not a total waste of time if you're a lower level, or just need the extra souls to purchase items/equipment. You also get a few embers every now and then too.

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Anyone know why these are so hard to find when compared to sharp or heavy gems? Seems unreasonable

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Easiest place to farm it?

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Killed the Red Eye Knight and his two basic knight friends in front of him at the Dancer's Bonfire 103 times with 257 Item Discovery (Ring+Rapier+Coins). They dropped their Armor Set, Shield, Weapons, Crossbow quite often. They dropped some Ember (0,8 per run), seldom some small Titanite Shards. The Red Eyed one dropped a Refined Gem on his 3rd and 103rd kill only.

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I can confirm that the lothric knight with the blue cape outside of the dancer boss room drops additional refined gems. I jist now had another one drop in ng.

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If I'm level 30, primarily a dex character, should I use this one the knight sword?

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Ya the refined gems drop from the red eye knight and im sure because my discovery is 109 and i recieved another one from farming him

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After farming about 30 to 40 times and upping my discovery chance to around 350 the knight in front of the dancers room did drop more refined gems.

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The red eyed Lothric Knight near the Dragon Barracks bonfire just dropped one for me. Didn't take all that many kills and I only had the Gold Serpent Ring equipped.

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There is not enough enemies or loot that give these gems and really limits how many weapons we can use.

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I have confirmed by spending hours farming the knight he only drops it once

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Doesn't seem like this gem is farmable, used coins, gsr, and in 15+ tries I've yet to get a second one from the blue knights. (they give one for the first time u kill them)

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Dropped from Crystal lizard in Grand Archives. It's after the first elevator you unlock, go up the staircase, past 2 wax headed mages and up the stairs again. Beware of the curse hands popping out of the bookshelf as you attack the lizard.

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just got a refined gem from a lothric knight with a spear. It seems the ones with a blue cape have a higher chance of dropping one ( farmed in front of the twin brother boss fight)

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Does this reinforcement path work on weapons that already have a quality scaling model, or is it kinda useless to use on a weapon that already has balanced scaling and simply reduces the base damage at that point? Please if anyone knows inform me as I have not gotten the funds to purchase the game and do my own testing yet.

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I've been trying to get a second Refined Gem a little earlier in the game from the Lothric Knight near Lordt Of The Boreal Valley bonfire. It won't drop for the second time for me, even after respeccing into a luck build. So it seems it only drops once there, or the chance is extremely low.

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wow this must be the rarest drop ever, Ive been farming the red eye knight for the last hour and a half and haven't seen one stupid gem.

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I farm the one need Dragon Barracks bonfire

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Tried one of these on my +4 Brigand Twindaggers.Scaling goes up, but my damage (both base and the "+X" from scaling) go down.I have both STR and DEX 20.So, maybe my weapon is bugged? Anyone else got this?

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I've been going through the game with a refined Lothric Sword. Once it gets to +4 it has B/B STR/DEX scaling, it's a solid weapon

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On my D/D scaling Claymore, at +1 infused with a refined gem transforms it into C/C scaling.So it's very effective on "quality" weapons with equal STR and DEX scaling, well worth the base DMG reduction if you're close to 20/20 STR and DEX.

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Let's say a weapon already has C/C Str/Dex scaling, would this infusion only lower your base damage without giving any benefit?

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I beat the second boss, at the bottom of the High Wall of Lothric. Then, I got the bonfire. Then, I went back and killed that Blue Knight. He dropped this item for me...

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This appears to work exactly like the "quality" upgrade path in Demon's Souls. It balance out your weapon's scaling in a way that it will benefit from the player having both strength AND dexterity at the soft cap. So if a weapon has B Strength scaling and E Dex scaling, "refining" it will turn it C STR C DEX. A player with 40/40 or 50/50 strength/dex will get a higher overall attack rating from the refined version.

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Does this mean you have to have have both strength and dexterity, one or the other, or is this just a way to boost fighters that use either stat. Finally is there any reason if you use strength or dexterity not to use this upgrade besides the weapon being max scaling rank (I have played and beaten demons souls and that upgrade system confused me as well)

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So these will boost the scaling scores of weapons? Awesome!!

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