Tears of Denial | Dark Souls 3 Wiki

Ah yes the Nuh uh spell

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A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.

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Anorlondiro: Gankers die 10000ce

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'let's make a miracle no faith user is going to use due to amount of slots required and FP consumption '
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'let's make a broken miracle mostly useful only to melee tryhards with 10 faith'

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tears of a casual in denial that he wouldn't survive a fair 1v1

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a fan favorite of people who dont take showers

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let's look at some math to see why this spell was a total mistake:

10 vigor is 403 HP. the sharpest falloff in HP gains in the game occurs at 26->27, for which you gain only 23 HP compared to the previous level's 30 HP. so let's take 26 HP as a "bare minimum" softcap value that even glass cannons should aim for. 16 levels of investment (the math is obviously changed a bit with non-wretch classes but bear with me) gives you 574 more HP for a total of 977.

on wretch and knight starts, 4 levels of attunement is enough to attune and cast tears of denial thanks to priestess ring, but let's also throw in investing the actual 6 levels of faith for a knight. 10 levels for tears. if we put the extra 6 in vigor (and start at wretch's 10 instead of the knight's starting value, letting the levels skew even more favorably towards the pure vigor build) we end up with 594 HP and the ability to cast tears of denial.

so it looks like vigor is favored heavily here, having almost double the HP of the tears of denial build. but what actually matters in this game? whether you are alive, or dead. therefore, it only matters how many hits it takes to kill you. let's assume a given attack against our heroes does 400 damage. the vigor build dies in three hits - down to 577, down to 177, dead. the tears build also dies in three hits - down to 194, down to 1, dead. let's try smaller, faster hits then. suppose a given attack does 100 damage. the vigor build goes from 977, 877, and so on down to 77 and then dead - 10 hits. the tears build doesn't fare so well this time and can only withstand 7.

but the absurdity of the spell is how well it scales the other way. let's say the attack did 900 damage. they can each tank it once, and die to the second. what if it did 1000? the tears player survives, the vigor build does not. 2200? no amount of vigor in the entire game can save you, only tears of denial can.

of course, that's just hypothetical. but in practice, it's plain to see that investing 4 to 10 levels into the ability to cast tears makes you die in fewer hits than most amounts of investment in vigor can, in most situations. that's why all the annoying swamp and pontiff hosts have it and can 4v1 for entirely too long. this is a patently broken design and anyone who thinks it was fun or fair is deluded.

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Does not seem to work if you use it as a Spear of the Church.

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tbh they could remove the actual mechanics from the spell entirely and I'd still use 2 slots on it just for the drip of having a humming Lord Soul in my chest all the time

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I hate all those dweebs who have this on auto-cast, with some form of script/hack...

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The name "Tears of Denial" is actually a reference to the endless pissing match between ganking & invading neets

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Dark Souls lll: Hollows Die Twice

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The Legend of R1: Tears of Denial

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focus sash

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If you are doing a soul lvl 1 you can’t use this because you only have 93 FP (starting with the wretched class), but you can use it if you equip the Dusk ring that lovers it’s cost to 75

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Absolutely invaluable for dancer's fight if you are not kindled or have real high vigor. Her grab plus any minor hit, or hell, sometimes just the grab is enough to put you in the dirt. Tears can save you from that otherwise one shot, and therefore your embers.

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This + any halberd + poise + sprinting + roll catching = Virgin

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Killing people using this spell with the Crow Quills weapon art is very satisfying

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Real men die when they get killed.

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thou hath sentenced thy 1000 years of kos !

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Now I see.you deny your tears their purpose!

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Apparently reviving yourself is easier than warping to bonfire.

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Thorn armor piece or throwing knife goes brrrrrr

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This is the worst thing to play against in a 2v1
In a 1v1 you can kinda counter it if they don't have regen but when the opponent just runs behind their friend and heals before casting again it's just annoying

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The stat requirements should be atleast 30 faith

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I don't really hate ToD since fast weapons that are good at chasing/chipping are readily available. But it's a shame that it functions the same at 15 or 99 Fth and is one of the easiest spells to access. I mean, you need more faith to cast Homeward.

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Can use SL1 with Dusk Crown ring, any attunement slot ring, and Priestess Ring, afterwards all 3 rings can be swapped , spell can be swapped at bonfire, all while maintaining tears.

you cant sweat and cry at the same time..... I tried IRL too

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A crutch in the arena especially with regen

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Any reason as to the inability to cast, even though all the requirements are met?

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I am utterly confused on if this is negated by bosses or not, cause I had it in place while solo'ing friede and blackflame friede killed me, and seemed to also just power through the revive. Could just be that i'd been hit by a secondary attack I didn't realize would happen immediately after my death but eh

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This sht right here is why a curse-inducing weappn was needed. "too op?" well too bad, ER has deathblight for everyone to give your bullsht a middle finger.

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Does work sacred oath

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Oke all jokes aside, am I the only one who likes the part : "Tears are she'd for the shake of the living, more so than the deceased."

Something about that part is really beautiful written yet at the same time also really sad.

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Dark souls: the unkindled die twice

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So basically this is only removed by loading screens? Is that what changing areas means?

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flugugugu

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When I have it active, it seems like it reactivates every 5min or so, and I get some light around my feet and it makes a casting noise. Any idea why?

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Elden ring better have higher requirements for this spell or ill go to memezakis home and steal all his seigbras.

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this is a meme and thats all it is. If you died cus someone pulled this trick on ya just git gud

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Accept your death like a man ****ing casual

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Tired of thorn armor or throwing knives killing you right after you were granted a second chance, just use sun princess ring.

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Tears of Denial, huh? Feels more like the name is referring to the Tryhard's angry tears when he's denying that he got his by that last attack

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The name of this spell does not refer to its user but the person fighting against it.
“Oooh no I killed him but his still alive and now he fully healed nooo, oh snap his 3 phantoms came to back him up and now I am dead and getting point downs…. This cant be.. why game... tears”

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Both good in pvp and pve, and for a low fth that newbies can use it to survive against bosses or tryhards

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Meme miracle for pvp. Can be countered by wearing any part of kirk's armor and just roll over your opponent.
For pve, I don't know. I prefer to die with dignity

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Excellent for invasions, though its considered poor etiquette to use in a duel, 15 FTH is easy to spare for the meta 120 - 150 however if you can't spare the points get your FTH to 10 and swap in a priestess ring to cast it and then change back to your normal set-up.
It's NOT a crutch however, This does not make you immortal, just allows you to ignore 1 death blow, any decent player will start spamming projectiles and rushing aggressively to finish you off, and most user will panic spam the roll button. A good player will use this strategically to trade at low HP if they think it will kill you.

My advice? use a weapon that has a guarantee multi hit combo, Gotthards, Twinblades or always keep some piece of kirks armour with you and swap it in.
We are all sweat lords making super optimised builds for a restricted soul level don't complain if players will use every single advantage available to them.

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I hate this spell with all my heart. Your hp hit 0, you should not be alive. A get out of jail free card should never have existed in a souls game, atleast not one that only needs a meager 15 faith to use and lasts indefinitely until proc'd.

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Tears of Denial needs to be removed from Arena. It is absolute bullshit in this great weapon meta that someone can trade a free hit.

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I don't like to buff in the arena, I find doing this everytime gets tedious. So first thing I do is greet, and if by the of gesture oponent is still buffing - kukiri or bomb to the face. You increase your chance to victory your way, I do it my way. Tears of denial is exception - you cast it, I charge immediatly. This spell is just too annoyIng, and the fact that evey build uses it aggraviate me even more, it just too much of crutch (and faith requirement is far too low, considering it never runs out). I can can cast it too,by he way, but I don't.

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If your tears go down, I'm gonna send some shivs your way. If you go down, oh well. You would have died there anyways. If you escape, good on ya- you earned a moment to heal up, and I'm not going to hate you for that.

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I SWEAR when this spell procs it gives the caster i frames. They ALWAYS manage to roll out of true combos and panic roll away, and no number of church shivs or bombs or running attacks will finish the job. They ring fap away, guzzle their honest merchant healing items, change five equipped items so they can recast... I really hope this garbage spell doesn't come back in elden ring.

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so easy to counter, just use a knife

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Absurd this is allowed in the arena.

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Who's easier to kill: someone with a max HP of 2 and tears of denial on, or someone with 1000 HP?

I'll give you a hint: you can kill one, and only one, of them in one hit.

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Kinda cancer in duels. Allows you to win matches you otherwise wouldn’t have won. Bit of a crutch imo

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crybaby virgin spell
real chads attune wrath of the gods

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I feel like this should've been swapped with Blessed Weapon from the Lothric tome. By the time you get it, Blessed Weapon is pretty bad, and it's an early/intermediate miracle. Meanwhile, this is so easy to get early, has little Faith requirement, and is used by a LOT of PVPers. Really should've had a higher requirement and been put later in the game.

Also, it's fun running alongside people trying to escape the loss of their last pip of HP, just waiting to rollcatch. Like, yeah yeah take the L or whatever, but I'm not complaining if I can get some salt out of it too.

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Just found out today the attack buff from Lloyd's Sword Ring overwrites ToD too, though it re-enables (without casting it again) once you lose that buff.

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I get the reason why it's used so much. It's essentially a guaranteed extra hit to tank which is incredibly valuable for its cheap stat requirements. But every time I land a very high damage combo/riposte in a duel and hear that *BEEESH*, it just feels so unsatisfying having to chase them around as they become too scared to do anything. It's not a broken mechanic by any means, just tends to drag out fights longer than they really need to be. It's not even particularly hard to land that last hit, just can be very time consuming at times. Absolute godsend in invasions though.

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This spell seems kinda bad in PvP. Literally everyone knows how to counter it. Every time I use it I just get church guardian shived and whenever someone uses it on me I just shiv them. Might as well just take your inevitable death like a man instead of roll spamming away at 1 hp and dying while looking like an idiot

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Ganks would be the easiest thing to beat if these didnt exist for filthy casuals.

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is it possible to cast this on an ally, or is it exclusive to yourself only?

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Havel's Greatshield "Stone flesh" buff also removes this buff

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really useful if you rely on trade hits. this, leo ring, a thrusting weapon and buff your weapon with lightning or something, if you trade enough you earned your right to cast it

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but can it save you from curse?

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Filthy try hard’s vest friend

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I know this sounds salty or dumb or whateaver, but i think the faith requirement should be higher, at least high enougth that the player needs to level some faith instead of just putting the priestess ring on. As it is now, every build can you this OP spell, wich isn't quite balanced to me, and this gets even worse by the fact that they bothered with stuff like weapon matchmaking and making crystal magic much less strong.

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With a SL19 cleric you can actually *INSTAKILL* players by casting a Lightning Spear at point-blank range on a single trade with a canvas talisman and having Morion's Blade, Awakening, Red Tearstone Ring, Lightning Clutch Ring and the miracle rings equipped. Tears of Denial makes it possible because you endure just enough for the buffs to proc!!

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I don't hate this spell because of what it does... I hate it because A N Y build can use it. It does not need to be a faith build in the slightest, since you only need 10 faith (with priestess ring) or 15 actual faith to use it without said ring. Should have made the faith requirement the same as DS2 (24), or even something like 30, since unlike how it functioned on a timer in DS2, this version is indefinite.

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How the **** do I git gud when gwyndo- I mean aldrich 1 shots me with like, 2 arrows??

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Ho? Your tears have gone off? *Equips spikey armor* You wouldn't mind if I...? *Roll* *Roll* *Roll* *Roll* *Roll* *Roll* *Roll* *Roll* *Roll*

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LOL. The name for this miracle is literally Miyazaki trolling you kids to git gud.

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Do axe warcry's overwrite this spell?

And what things can overwrite the visual effect and not the actual effect. This would be good to know to make people think you don't have the spell active. Also I hate the flame effect that's constantly on my character.

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Did multiple tests. Used with 40 faith. Lasted about 3:35. Used lingering dragon crest ring +1 and it lasted about 4:30 (although I only tested dragon crest ring once)

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Just killed a guy three times in a row, he kept re-casting ToD and eventually poise-blocked me with Caestus’. What a charmer

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If you use this on pvp duels you suck

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An additionnal tip for builds oriented around magic, such as pyro, faith... : you can use the darkmoon blade ring to equip the tears and after casted it, you can switch rings so you can have a free cast.
The only thing is you have re-equip the spell every time, which is a bit annoying and you have to be next to a bonfire but definitly worth it.

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I love how it's called tears of denial, and those denied their kill by the miracle have tears streaming down their face from their loss to it.

to my experience, DS3 has been fairly balanced. Nothing so over the top its a you have it, i dont, i lose 100% of the time if we r even in skill. Sure the game has a designated meta like everything else but i don't think this is one. if anything its more of a anti meta miracle.

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I know most people probably figured this out already, but Morne sounds like mourn, and has all the tears miracles.

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Anybody have tears of denial script for CE?

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Hmm... How come when I two hand my weapon the tears disaapears?

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When people lose to it they cry and deny

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Everyone gangsta with tears till the man in spikey armor shows up

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I can still taste the salt in the tears in some of these comments.

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If you're anything like me, you'll read this as Tears of Daniel and think, "Damn. Why's he so sad?"

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So salt aside its acceptable to use this in pve right? And when somebody happens to invade, your just supposed to what? Overwrite it? I'm all for an honorable 1vs1 but most invaders nowadays have stopped showing the respect dueling used to have so why the hell should I not use every advantage I can if they insist on twink building or trying to use the environment against me? Why are some things considered unacceptable and unfair if you are the host in pvp but its ok for the invaders to have every advantage? Is it not the point of invasions for both parties to fight with everything at their disposal? And should the invaded do the same? Unless a duel is established for example both parties bow in a enemy free area then some etiquette should be expected and even then this is not the worst offense I've seen and is kind of required on faith glass cannon builds. Even if its not a faith glass cannon, faith builds got a bad reputation as trash so why deny them the biggest advantage they have access to? Just my thoughts on the matter

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just to be clear if i break the spell and you managed to kill me you didnt win it was a tie pu ssy a ss bi tch

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people salty about tell people not to use it and wonder why "Miracle Builds are Trash."

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This thing is actually broken, I literally have to breath on the filthy casuals that use this after I "kill" them, honestly they should just remove this spell, I couldn't possibly afford some throwing knives to counter it

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Hello,
I apologize if this has been previously mentioned, but Flash Sweat also overwrites this spell.

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The cutscene remove the buff thanks

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Lloyd's sword ring has a red visual effect when active that seems to hide the fireball visual. It also makes it do the sound and light effects of casting it every time the buff is deactivated (being brought below full health)

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Local cleric literally too angry to die.

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I was starting to wonder why some people seemed to be super aggressive and salty against my build that utilizes tears of denial, these comments explain it lol. Its actually not that powerful, and only useful if youre good at dodging. In Demons Souls it was called second chance and would revive you.....with half your health! Not 1hp. Just use throwing knives/arrows(illusionary blades or dark arrows are best as they have tracking) or thorn armor is also great for getting that last hp. Its useful in invasions, but in duels I only ever so often win after it pops(which yeah im sure is frustrating to the other person).

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all you niggas complaining about this spell, just use throwing knives smh

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Ds2 balanced spell
Ds3 broken asf

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tears of i suck at this game so when i died i have another chance of dying to you again

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Added new information under notes about the faulty duel charm.

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To all yall gettin mad about this spell in pvp lemme give you a lil tip i picked up in the business... wear at least one piece of thorns armor and when you crack that barrier just head butt them to death. or use the illusory throwing knives because of their speed but those require a lil more skill. Hope this helps happy manhunting!

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There's a lot to be said about DS community, but if there is one thing that sums it up, it's elitistic. Bruh, who even cares how you defeated a boss, an invasion or whatever, so long as you did it? "Oh, he beat the game with coop's only, must be a casul!", "Try ng+7 fists only run or you're a noob!", "Oh, he uses Tears of Denial/Black Serpent/Chaos bed vestiges, noob casul scrub!" Bruh, who cares... Enjoy the game, stop calling people casuls on literaly any page on this wiki, under any weapon, good or bad, spell, armour, even under the goddamn giant seed, and move on. There is a lot of variety in armours, spells and weapons for a reason. The game is a godsend to anyone that likes challange, it's extremely fun in coop, and is well, and inteligently made. For a comunity that praises itself by the game's dificulty, and "git gud" attitude, there sure are a lot of complainers here huh?

Also, can't deal with tears? Poison and knives or thorns armour. GG

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