Lothric, Younger Prince

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hp souls Location
Phase 1
Lorian-4294

Phase 2
Lorian-3436
Lothric-5799
85,000 Grand Archives
Drops Cinders of a Lord and
Soul of the Twin Princes
Defenses
Weak Resistant Immune
icon wp lightningdef Lightning
icon wp frost Frost
icon magicbonus Magic (Lorian)
Physical-type (Lothric)
icon darkbonus Dark icon poisonres.pngPoison & Toxic

Lothric, Younger Prince is a Lord of Cinder and Boss in Dark Souls 3. This Dark Souls 3 Lothric, Younger Guide features locations, strategies and videos on how to defeat Lothric and Lorian easily, as well as tips, weaknesses, trivia and lore notes for the Lothric, Younger Prince and Lorian, Elder Prince boss.

Lothric is a purely magical boss and is a force to be reckoned with while he's accompanied by his brother and partner boss Lorian, Elder Prince. He is a tall hooded figure with the most notable feature being his spindly arms, and is the only of the twin princes to speak during cutscenes. While he isn't fought during the first phase, after depleting Lorian's healthbar once, Lothric teleports to his brother's side and clings to his back for the remainder of the fight.

While his magic makes for a challenging fight when synergized with his brother, he has only three attacks and is stationary and vulnerable when revivng Lorian. This boss is not optional and must be fought to progress through the game. Two NPCs can be summoned to help you in the fight against Lothric and Lorian:

  • Sirris of the Sunless Realms - Summon can be found just in front of the fog door on the left. Take care not to let her take the brunt of the aggression as she can only heal herself three to five times during the fight and can easily be killed before the second phase actually begins, leaving you to solo the hardest part of the fight.
  • Orbeck of Vinheim - You must have given him all 4 Scrolls and have bought all the sorceries that he sells. Summon sign can be found to the left, at the top of the stairs before the double doors to the fog door

Bosses are unique and challenging Enemies that drop Boss Souls capable of being transformed into powerful Weapons, Spells, and Items for the player.

 

Dark Souls 3 Lothric, Younger Prince Location

Where to find Lothric, Younger Prince in Dark Souls 3?

 

Lothric Drops

What do you get from defeating Lothric, Younger Prince in Dark Souls 3?

  • Souls: NG (85,000) | NG+ (170,000) | NG++ (187,000) | NG+3 (191,250) | NG+4 (204,000) | NG+9 (216,750)
  • Souls for Cooperator: NG (21,250) | NG++ (51,425 w/ Silver Serpent Ring)
  • Cinders of a Lord
  • Soul of the Twin Princes

 

Lorian Notes & Tips

What should you know about fighting Lorian, Elder Prince in Dark Souls 3?

Lothric Notes & Tips

What should you know about fighting Lothric, Younger Prince in Dark Souls 3?

  • Present only during 2nd phase - killing him ends the battle, regardless of Lorian's HP left. If the player fails that phase, they must also repeat first. If Lorian dies first, Lothric revives him with a bit shorter HP pool.
  • Attacks deals Magic Damage.
  • Weak to Physical-type damage.
  • Resistant to Dark Damage. 
  • Immune to Poison/Toxic.
  • Lorian's "Soul Spear" attack can be spell parried, but timing has to be perfect.
  • Is affected by Vow of Silence and nullifies all of it's offensive magic except for the Wrath of the Gods revive spell.
  • Can't be staggered or riposted.

 

Lorian, Elder Prince Stats

Playthrough NG NG + NG ++ NG +3 NG +4 NG +5 NG +6 NG +7
Phase 1 Health 4,294 4,328 4,761 4,978 5,194 5,627 5,843 6,060
Phase 2 Health  3,436  3,463 3,810  3,938 4,156 4,503  4,676  4,849
Damage Type Standard Strike Slash Thrust Magic Fire Lightning Dark
Absorptions 20% 18% 22% 20% 5% 2% -20% 70%

Lothric, Younger Prince Stats

Playthrough NG NG + NG ++ NG +3 NG +4 NG +5 NG +6 NG +7
Health 5,799 5,845 6,430 6,722 7,014 7,599 7,891 8,183
Damage Type Standard Strike Slash Thrust Magic Fire Lightning Dark
Absorptions -20% -18% -22% -20% 47% 2% 4% 73%

 

Dark Souls 3 Lothric, Younger Prince Boss Guide & Strategies

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Dark Souls 3 Lothric Attacks

Attacks Attacks Description
Magic Homing Arrow Fires a golden sorcery, similar to soul spear. Slight tracking and noticable charge time.
Magic Homing Projectiles Casts multiple tiny magic projectiles floating into the air, similar to homing soulmass. The difference is that it is a far greater amount, does not follow the caster around, and is golden with smaller projectiles. After casting they will float in the air for a while and then shoot off towards the player.
Revival When Lorian, Elder Prince dies he will begin to cast a miracle that does both substantial AOE damage and revives Lorian with approximately half of his health.

 

General Tips

  1. As many people know, Lorian, the Elder Prince, who is the larger prince, always kicks off the fight with a teleport. The player can choose not to take any steps after entering the boss fog, or the door (this will be the barrier on your first time fighting the princes in your playthrough), or he can step forth, where Lorian will teleport, and do one of his attacks.
  2. Dodge Lorian and Lothric's wide array of attacks. A highly flame resistant shield, like the Dragon Crest Shield, or Black Knight Shield (this has very good stability) makes this safer, but it's not necessary.
  3. Lorian doesn't throw any combo longer than four swings, not including combos that happen after teleports. Use that to punish him, along with his heavier attacks, where he slightly struggles to heave the heft of his blade. 
  4. Remember that the fight only ends when Lothric, the younger, smaller prince dies. You can repeatedly kill Lorian for free hits, but it's not make or break.
  5. Lorian has a tendency to make fake telegraphs by delaying his attacks.
  6. Invincibility frames get optimized the most when the player rolls in the opposite direction of the attack, but is not touching the means of attack. So for example, if Lorian uses his magic, and the player dodges it, yes, he will be invincible, but if the player is still touching that fire, or faith magic after his invincibility frames, then it's a botch. A common mistake is to horizontally roll to avoid his slashes. This can put the player out of range, so for players who are using something shorter than a greatsword, try using diagonal rolls, so you are close and can mix a rolling attack with another attack.
  7. The player only has up to two seconds, and less often three, to attack Lorian or Lothric, depending on whether Lothric is trying to heal Lorian, or climbing on Lorian's back or not. During those times where Lothric is healing Lorian, or climbing on his back, the window is about twice as big, but the player should note the gestures the bosses will use. Very often, Lorian and Lothric will do a power attack after this, so the player should keep his eyes open for that.
  8. Lothric will do an AOE attack that heals Lorian when he is downed. He gestures with his hands and arms for this, the player should make sure to roll out of that. 
  9. Sometimes, the teleportation in the fight can catch the player off guard. If Lorian or the Twin Princes teleport, and the player's lock-on is broken, then Lorian is preparing an insta-kill attack. When he does this while he has Lothric on his back, Lothric will cast a giant sun spear after, which will travel fast. For info on the other more powerful attacks, see #16.
  10. Based on their combat capabilities, both Lorian and Lothric are at about SL 150 each in NG, as they easily cut through a pool of 1300 HP on an SL 97 character. In comparison to other bosses, they are about as hard as Old Demon King and Aldrich, who are at the highest tier of difficulty, because of what they can do, how much damage they can take, and how frequently.  If one thinks of Lorian as a combination of the attack power of Aldrich, but with the feverishness of Old Demon King, then they have a good idea of what they need to do.
  11. Lorian can be stunned by hitting his right half of his pelvis, on the side where his sword is held. This is not advised, because it uses up stamina, and can lead to being stun-locked to death.
  12. If the player needs to heal (which he should only try to do during the second phase of the fight, when Lothric comes in), then he can hide a few feet behind a pillar for an extra second or two to use Estus, or pop an Ember. However, the player should not think that any of the princes, or both of them together, will not circumvent this. They are more than happy to teleport (which they always do behind the player, when the player not up against the walls in the room), or cast magic through the pillar, and interrupt any wandering that the player's mind may do.
  13. There are two shortcuts to this fight. At the top of the exterior stairs is a safer and slightly faster one of the two, to the right of the first door of the entrance to the Twin Princes fight, when facing the building.
  14. If the player is always urging to do damage and cannot stomach the slow rate of progress in the fight, then it is best to remedy that, and not play until the player can be totally zen. This way eight or less Estus at +10 strength can be used.
  15. There are times where Lothric is going to cast multiple projectiles. Do NOT try to attack during this phase, as you do not have any time for even the fastest attacks!
  16. It is easy to think that the Twin Princes, or Lorian alone are actually teleporting at lightning speed, and giving no windows for attack. This is not true, if the player watches their animations, but there is an instance where Lorian, in either phase one or two, will teleport, causing a big pillar of light on the player. When he does this, he is preparing an insta-kill attack, where he will do something akin to a drop attack on the player. When that pillar shows up, that is the queue to dodge roll!

How to fight and beat Lothric, Younger Prince

Strategy 1 (Melee)

Phase 1: This phase doesn't actually involve Lothric, but is still relevant due to it being part of the fight and a prerequisite in order to even fight Lothric. It's a pretty easy fight during the first phase as his attacks leave big windows. Move towards him, bait his combo which is most often a double horizontal slash and then roll backwards out of harms way, moving back in at the end of the combo to capitalize on the window. Be cautious because some of his combos, like the double horizontal slash, will sometimes be followed up with a vertical slash and there seems to be no way to tell which combo it will be aside from waiting and watching. Although a sure fire window is after the holy flame beam attack and after the flame wave attack, those never have immediate follow-ups so if you really want to play it safe only attack then, but often it will be pretty easy to attack him during other combos, just risky. Try to not get hit at all to conserve all estus the second phase.

Phase 2: First phase involving Lothric, he appears sitting on Lorian's back at the carpet near balcony (doesn't matter where was Lorian "killed"). Lothric will do 4 things. He will cast multiple tiny homing magic projectiles into the air which will float until locating you and then beam towards you. When that spell is cast, just roll through them. When you see them cast, distance yourself from Lorian to allow yourself to only focus on dodging that sorcery. Move in for attacks on Lorian during his windows after combos and while Lothric is inactive (he has a lot of down-time during the fight; he's not constantly casting). Be careful of one combo that Lothric and Lorian will often do. Almost right after Lorian performs his holy fire beam attack, Lothric will fire off a homing spear sorcery, so now just be sure to be ready to dodge right after Lorian slams his sword down. But when you do get Lorian's health all the way down, move in and barrage Lothric with attacks for only 2-3 seconds and then run away for he's casting a healing miracle which doubles as an AOE blast (Wrath of Gods?) on Lorian which will revive him with about half his health regained. The fight will just continue as normal and the next time Lorian goes down odds are Lothric is dead, very close so it will be the last time he goes down.

 

Strategy 2 (Magic)

This boss is just plain harsh on pureblood casters.  If you get hit without a block, you will generally die.  Lots of patience and learning te patterns will be key here.  Phase 1 isn't too horrible, but is still not fun.  Lorian will teleport on top of you, requireing either a block or good dodge frequently.  Try to block the first shot (shield with physical and max fire resist), then dodge the following attack(s).  No fancy spells for this, it seems just Great Heavy Soul Arrow will be your bread and butter here.  If you can get far enough from Lorian down the hall, he will just crawl on his knees towards you, giveing time for 3-5 blasts before he teleports you and you have to reset him. 

Phase 2:  If you thought phase 1 was bad, you're going to love this.  Lothric will climb on Lorian's back, and cast spells from there.  Hopefully you got good at dodging after the first block in phase 1, because failing to do so in phase 2 will almost guarentee death.  Lorian will have the same attacks, with Lothric casts versions of homing soulmass and  soul spear.  Lothric will not be constantly casting, however.  Try to get away from them like you did in phase 1 so Lorian has to crawl towards you.  Wait for lorian to cast, then get a few casts in yourself.  When you dps Lorian down, Lothric will get off and res him.  You want to shoot him as much as possible, which sucks, because he takes about half the magic damage that his brother does.  If you can ready a crystal-enchanted weapon it would probably be a much better option against lorian.  However, time window constraints from how very little Lorian is available to be hit makes this strategy unlikely.  

 

Strategy 3 (Pyromancy)

This boss can be somewhat tricky for pyromancers. The first phase won't give you much trouble. Powerful fire spells such as Chaos Bed  Vestiges or Great Chaos Fire Orb do considerable damage to Lorian. Simply be prepared to dodge his attacks when he teleports, and evade the smash. If you keep your distance, Lorian will often simply crawl at you, giving you time to free cast spells. 

During Phase II, things will get somewhat harder. Lorian will become more aggressive, and Lothric will cast spells at you, making getting casts off risky. Hitting Lothric while Lorian is still alive is very difficult, since the cast times of most pyromancies are so long that any window of opportunity you get will close before you get the cast off. Killing Lorian again and taking the chance to deal damage to Lothric during this time works fine, and two Lorian kills during Phase II should be enough to kill Lothric. 

 

Strategy 4 (Irithyll Rapier/Straightsword+Pontiff's Eye Ring)

Lorian is weak to frostbite. The Irithyll Rapier causes frost damage and it is a fast dps weapon. The Irithyll Straightsword is also a viable option. Combine that with Pontiff's Right Eye ring (dmg boost as long as attacking persists) and Carthus Beacon pyromancy (Damage increases with consecutive attacks) and you will have very fast damage dealing potential. That is, if you can dodge boss' attacks and stay aggressive.

Try to stay near and behind the boss at all times. Butt hugging makes him circling around too instead of spamming attacks so it gives more openings, helps to avoid taking damage and makes stamina control little easier. Some of the boss' swings even miss you without dodging, if you stay close to him. It takes a lot of practice to get used to him teleporting around. Rule of thumb for first timers is that if he teleports near you, dodge soon or immediately, but if he teleports little further away from you, wait and do not dodge immediately. With training you will learn his moveset and begin to predict what move is coming.

 

Strategy 5 (Melee with Black Knight Shield)

This strategy is fairly simple. Use a Black Knight Shield and circle strafe around Lorian to the right. After he swings, hit him a single time and continue circling. The Black Knight Shield's high fire absorption and stability will make his attacks almost meaningless and a few will probably miss altogether. The only threats using this strategy are the magic attacks from Lothric and the Light Beam attack Lorian sometimes does after teleporting.

 

Strategy 6 (Bow and cheesing phase 2)

Locking on Lorian while using bow and keeping will give you great opportunity to free cheesy attacks. You should only worry about teleporting or using his long-ranged magic attack (by hitting sword to the ground).

Phase 2 can be cheesed by killing him while standing right in the spot when Lorian will spawn after "death"in phase 1. Your location has to be exactly behind this spot - walking, touching stairs or being too far away from "center line" of the carpet will aggro them. If you place yourself correctly, Twin Princes will just stay in place, giving you free opportunity to shoot Lothric in the back using bow. You can also use Pestilent Mercury, but it will kill Lorian first (or you), so not really useful as a main "weapon".

Please notice that if NPC phantom is killed right before starting this cheese phase 2 his or her death animation would still last in phase 2, aggroing the Princes.

 

Lothric & Lorian Lore Theories

  • Lothric Castle shares Lothric's name, but Lothric is a family name and not unique to this one Prince (as evidenced by the Divine Blessing description). Indeed, it seems that Lothric Castle was not named for the prince but for the bloodline.  This seems to reflect either that young Lothric bears no name besides that of his family or that he was named after his family and kingdom, either of which reflects his intended role as the last hope of their line.
  • Lorian's Armor Set description notes that Lorian was left mute and crippled by the curse of his younger brother, Lothric. That is the reason why their souls are inseparably united.  It is implied that this is what Lorian desired, although why is unclear.
  • Prayer Set description notes that as Lothric was destined to become a Lord of Cinder, he was cherished by the royal family despite being born into illness, a frail and shriveled child.
  • Lothric might be some kind of dragon-kin, and this may be due to the curse/illness he has. His fingers are long and claw-like and his skin is pale. This may be the result of the attempts of Oceiros to produce a draconic heir, a symptom of the extreme means used by the family to produce a heir worthy of linking the fire, or may be a sign of distant relation to Seathe the Paledrake, which itself might explain Ocerios's obsession.
  • Lothric is the way he is (frail, malformed, but magically powerful) as a result of his bloodline's long history of obsession with creating "the perfect heir". When they failed to do so through conventional methods of conception and pure-breeding they resorted to more extreme means.
  • When the time came for Lothric to assume his duty as a Lord of Cinder he refused, apparently due to the belief of his tutor, the first of the scholars (potentially Pontiff Sulyvahn). Instead, he left the castle with his brother and relocated to a faraway palace where they intended to watch the flame die out.
  • Lorian appears to be crippled during the fight (crawling instead of walking) due to willingly sharing the "curse" of his brother and the burden of lordship.
  • Lorian's teleportation and light sword abilities are actually the result of Lothric interfering with the fight by using his magic on his brother from atop his pedestal (and later, from over his brother's shoulders). The description of Lorian's and Lothric's transposed swords suggest this.
  • Lorian's sword became black and permanently enchanted with fire after he had killed the Demon Prince.
  • The room is filled with white feathers, suggesting a link to Gertrude and the worship of angels in Lothric, a link further supported by the parallels between Prince Lothric's magic and the effects of the miracle Divine Pillars of Light.
  • Based on the description of Divine Blessing, it is probable that Gwynevere is the mother of both brothers, making them grandchildren of Gwyn.
  • The fact that Lorian can be physically killed and must be manually revived by his brother indicates that he does not bear the Undead Curse.
  • The nature of the methods which permit Lorian to teleport and through which Lothric revives his brother are unusual, as Lothric's abilities resemble miracles yet inflict magic damage, being therefore similar in nature to Gwyndolin, yet apparently being of sunlight rather then moonlight (at least based on coloration.)  The primary abilities of revival and teleportation parallel the relationship Undead have to bonfires, indicating that their curse may be of a similar nature.

Lothric, Younger Prince Dialogue:

  • Before fight: Oh, dear, another dogged contender. Welcome, Unkindled One, purloiner of Cinders. Mind you, the mantle of Lord interests me none. The fire linking curse, the legacy of lords, let it all fade into nothing. You've done quite enough, now have your rest.
  • Second phase: Oh, dear Brother… I’m on my way. My brother, unyielding sword of Lothric's Prince. Rise, if you would... For that is our curse.
  • After victory: Mark my words, Ashen One... You remain among the Accursed.
  • When the Player is slain: This spot marks our grave, but you may rest here too, if you would like...

 

Lothric & Lorian Trivia

  • Both Lorian & Lothric can be bled, what makes weapons causing Bleed very useful.
  • In the second phase, you can hit Lothric while on his brothers back, weakening him before Lorian goes down. You have to stand exactly behind Lorian to do this, as with most weapons you will only hit Lothrics feet. Weapons, such as the Estoc, that use fencing thrusts improve the angle behind Lorian that allow Lothric to be hit. If Lothric is weak enough he can be killed while reviving his brother, shortening the fight quite a bit. Alternatively, Lothric can be killed while still on his brothers back through use of the above noted strategy for striking him.
  • While cooperating, if the targeted player keeps baiting Lorian the partner can easily aim for Lothric, eliminating the revival sequence all together. Though several players can rush Lothric easily in one revival sequence it is questionable to do so instead of focusing down Lorian.
  • When he climbs on his brother's back Lothric resembles the spirit of Gower's Ring of Protection (Dark Souls 2)
  • Additionally, the posture Lothric takes is highly reminiscent of the position of the arms over the chest of the Armor of Favor.
  • Lothric is voiced by Harry Lister Smith, who also voiced Gwyndolin from Dark Souls 1.
  • Cut data that can still be found in the game's files show Lothric & Lorian were possibly once going to wield a scythe and shield, respectively. "Scythe born from the soul of Lothric. Forged for Prince Lothric, this weapon's blade is slightly elongated and boasts beautiful craftmanship. It has a sharp edge contains a hard alloy, and can rip through anything like paper." - Lothric's Scythe
  • The image art of Lorians greatsword resembles its original design evidenced in concept art, not its final design visible in game, both when Lorian and the Player use it.  This is likely unintentional. 
  • If you quit the game immediately after killing Lothric but before receiving the cinder, Lorian can be found alive after reloading the game and you can still receive the cinder by re-entering the boss room. It is possible for Lorian to teleport to the outside of boss room.

 

Lothric, Younger Prince & Lorian, Elder Prince Gallery

Lorian Elder Prince Concept Art lothricyoungerprince1 tc

Lothric Lorian Rise If You Would Lothric & Lorian Risen

 

 



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    • Anonymous

      Quickstep really trivializes this boss. All of Lorian's sword attacks will sail right past you and you can carve him up between combos. Then just roll through Lothric's magic attacks. I just beat them solo on NG+2 and didn't even have to heal. +10 Sharp Bandit's Knife and Carthus Flame Arc.

      • Anonymous

        Does anyone else mute the Voice volume and disable subtitles to fight bosses and NPCs that mock you when you die? Lothric, Oceiros, Friede, Hawkwood... I don't need that negativity in my life.

        I don't bother with Halflight. It's tedious to sit through but you can't skip it either way, so whatever

        • Anonymous

          Pyromancy makes this fight relatively easy, especially if you have a summon. Even an NPC summon will do.

          Miserable fight as a pure sorcerer (really the whole game is miserable as a pure sorcerer). The only way I could manage phase 2 was with Soul Stream, because it actually hits both princes when fired at the right angle.

          • Anonymous

            melee: lock on, hold to the right, dodge the 2 hit swoop or the 1 hit swoop, attack in between. Just roll when he casts his flying popcorn things and beware that after they cast the lightning swordcombo the little one casts a projectile. You can heal after each dodge if nessesary.

            I gotta say they are hard, but doable if played correctly. Elfriede tho, thats just pure bs lol

            • Anonymous

              To me the Twin Princes are by far the hardest boss in the entire game, including Ariandel, Ringed City and optional areas. I recorded my deaths on my 2nd playthrough and twin princes were responsible for one quarter of them.

              • Anonymous

                Been trying to beat this with +10 GS. Hardest boss fight so far. Kill -> revives -> kill -> revives, is there a trick to this ? any way to kill the sorcerer reviving him ?

                • Anonymous

                  Pure sorcerer builds are a pain to use against this boss, ran out of ashen estus as soon as lothric was 0 hp, said screw it and did a barehanded punch. It worked…

                  • Tried this out as a pure sorcerer, and Lorian goes down so easily with GHSA and/or CSS spells even compared to my previous pyromancer, it was a joke especially if you just kite him. You can even get some free hits in by not moving upon entering the fog gate - Lorian will for some reason just teleport baby steps towards you, giving you a massive window of time with which to throw spells at him. Just dodge his attacks when he finally does get you within his range, and you'll be peachy.

                    The problem is Lothric in the second phase, since unlike with a Pyromancer you can't burst down Lothric with your spells due to his magic resistance, and since you mostly lock on to Lorian you'll have to contend with seeing Lorian resurrect frequently. If playing as a Sorcerer, it would be prudent to have a good and decently-levelled physical melee weapon available as backup to hit Lothric with when he tries to res Lorian.

                    • Anonymous

                      Phase 2 is just stupid and lame. Either you get oneshot from behind by a teleporter or from the front by homing missiles. Worst boss in the entire franchise.

                      • Anonymous

                        One of the few bosses that felt amazing to fight even on another playthrough for me, I think the voiced cutscenes really make this one special

                        • It's not mentioned anywhere on the page, so I'll contribute (since for some reason I can't find the button to submit edits):

                          If you're able to get far enough away from Lorian after his combos, typically by rolling backwards several times, he'll simply attempt to crawl towards you instead of teleporting. This is an ideal window of opportunity for ranged builds to attack him multiple times, as long as you're able to keep your distance, and if you're able to space yourself by kiting him from the edge of the arena you can actually gain like +/- 20 seconds of attack time. Given the size and shape of the arena obviously he'll inevitably be able to catch up to you and begin teleport attacks all over again, but it's at least a good way to get some damage in with less stress.

                          • Anonymous

                            For strength/quality build people, FUGS is still absurd since in the 2nd phase its greatsword vertical swing can hit lothric as well as lorian. I recommend a lightning resin to make things even smoother. Vordt's great hammer is good all around but again, with heavy attacks you can hit both twins in 2nd phase along with the ridiculous damage and frostbite, this will stagger lorian in phase one. You also can't go wrong with a black knight weapon if you have enough dex at this point, the axe is a little more awkward than the BL great sword but should work. Master your dodging but you can't hesitate. Trading blows is required if you want to make the fight shorter.

                            • Anonymous

                              On every SL1 - SL20 run this boss is by far the most annoying. And when I say this boss I mean a F ING CAMERA. Its not a big issue when you have dps, but when you dont and the fight goes on for 10 minutes this h t is disgusting. Like fromsoft knows about their games' camera issue since forever, so decided to do big boss that his size messes up camera, then make him teleport all the time to make camera spin around every time its locked on and then fit arena with tons of pillars that mess up camera.

                              I really wish for once they did a small boss that doesnt cheat its attack range. He would be a tough badass, but without a weapon 10 meters long.

                              • best advice I can give is to not get greedy, especially in first phase. Beat this boss for the first time with a +10 electric longsword, and I definitely recommend it, as you can easily get an R2 in after rolling out of the way and then just roll out of his counterattack. then just repeat until phase 2, where it gets slightly more complex, but overall same strategy. just whack Lothric when Lorain dies, which will get easier after doing this once due to the lower health. I've hear DSGA can also work with WA punishes but I think this is a bit simpler/easier, as electric does so much damage anyways playing fast and safe still gets reliable DPS.

                                • Anonymous

                                  older brother wiped the floor with me in maybe 20 seconds. STATS: vig 40, vit 40, str 40. DEF: 166 phys, 116 magic. absorbtion: 28% phys, 21% magic. level 90. outfit: onion w/ drang chest. rings: silver snake, sacrifice, F(aP), havel. shield was curse ward, weapon was heavy greataxe +10. advice?
                                  i also have greatshield of glory and yhorm's.

                                  • Summoning Orbeck and Sirris makes this fight a lot more difficult. Orbeck dies very, very quickly. Sirris dies pretty early into Phase 2, leaving you to fight the buffed up boss entirely on your own. If you absolutely have to summon for this fight, I would recommend that you only summon Sirris.

                                    I wanted to summon both of them for this fight for "story" reasons, since it's the last fight either can be summoned for and it's right before the final boss, but nah. It's not worth it.

                                    • Anonymous

                                      I always feel bad for killing these guys. Don't get me wrong, its satisfying af when you finally beat them because the fight is tough, but its also really sad. Lothric and Lorian, especially Lothric are victims of a family that only sees them as tools for linking the fire. Since his birth he was used only for that one purpose, and when he and his brother finally rebel and try to hide far away to leave the fire to fade, the world itself converges and pulls their palace right outside firelink shrine, for the ashen one to slaughter them.



                                      I love good "villains" like this who really aren't even villains. The ashen one is the bad guy here, especially when you realise you yourself are a creature of the dark as a human, and ending the age of fire, which was the age for gwyn's kind, is only going to start the age of dark, the age for humans. So by linking the fire all you are doing is betraying your own people and acting as a pawn for the old dead gods.


                                      Other interesting "not evil but actually good guys" DS3 bosses are Gundyr, Old Demon King and the Nameless King.

                                      • Anonymous

                                        I WILL F**KING PIN LOTHRIC DOWN AND F*** HIM IN FRONT OF HIS BROTHER IF HE DOESN'T STOP THROWING HIS GODDAMN CRYSTAL SPEAR WHEN I'M HEALING

                                        • Anonymous

                                          >lothric twins want to leave the fire and let it fade away
                                          >kill lothric twins so you can access the kiln of the first flame
                                          >let the fire fade anyways

                                          • Anonymous

                                            lothric was probly playling on his tablet when he was waiting for us wonder what he would actually play for that matter

                                            • Anonymous

                                              I am I the only one who feels sort of happy that lothric and Lorian are the only two character that are related that

                                              Generally care for each other compared to gwyns family. Lothric and Lorian are the closest thing to a good family in dark souls

                                              • Anonymous

                                                There’s not a single boss that simultaneously attacks with both strong melee and strong ranged attacks in any game ever made that is actually enjoyable to fight. This is just a pain. Nameless King was easier because he didn’t spam projectiles in addition to melee combos. You only have to focus on dodging one thing at a time instead of 50. This is just dumb

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  I am quite simply getting owned by Twin Princes in NG+7. In NG+6 it was the only main story boss that I actually needed a summon for, and as of now it seems to be the same way. Every other boss is free, but Twin Princes is just tp and damage central. Pain.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    is it weird i see gwyndolin and lothric as basically the same person

                                                    1 both their fathers left them
                                                    2 they both like magic
                                                    3 they aren't actually real villain's in dark souls they are more victim's of the world
                                                    4 their older brothers are renowned and powerful ones a god of war and one slayed a demon prince

                                                    im not complaining i like they are similar i like that they are well it may run in their family since gwynevere may be lothrics mother

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      lothric is actually is a caring brother because lothric is mortally sick remember and he helps his brother fight even though he's in no way to fight

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        Mark my words, twin princes, you guys are damn lousy. How can someone beat the demon prince when he himself can be killed by fire so fast? lmao

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          Lorian just broke his shins and can't walk and both of them are hollow well maybe not Lothric but Lorian 100%

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            When you realize that this is just a twist on the Ornstein and Smough fight.
                                                            But instead of it being a Dex build (Ornstein) and a Str build (Smough), it’s a Pyro/Quality build (Lorian) and a Fth/Int build (Lothric).

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              look guys I'm not actually here to kill you i just want my payment for exterminating the pus of man infestation in your garden

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                As a level 30 pyro twinkie, this fight is REALLY rough. If anyone else is in the same situation, i recommending allotting a TON of estus into ashen (I did 12 ashen, 3 regular estus), then spamming chaos bed w/ flame orb to maximize FP usage. The slow casts of your spells gives you VERY little room to attack, so you have to be incredibly patient & have a cool head during this fight.

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  Two brothers bonding through burning and beating the **** out of me well if I’m helping them get along I guess me dying did something good

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    "Rise, if you would... For that is our curse." the way you say it sir dunno about your brother but something else will surely rise

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      Anything lorewise on why Lothric castle and the high wall is named after Lothric rather than Lorian? Or is Lothric named after the castle since he is a young pringe and the wall and castle look very old? Or is the wall and castle fairly new..?

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        summoning makes this boss a lot of fun :D i reccomend it to everyone who has already beaten this boss solo!

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          sigh, i really wish there was a shorter bonfire location, im tired of going through the elevator and dodging all the enemies on the bridge and almost dying by the time i get to this boss.

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            The way I think this battle goes is similar to O&S. Once you defeated Lorian, the guys will start throwing everything at you, so you have to be VERY careful about commiting. Dodging is a little bit trickier this time, but nothing impossible. Great fight, lore, and music.

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              I am legitimately convinced Fromsoft designed this boss solely to make it clear just how much they want you to go **** yourself for using magic.

                                                                              He does heavy damage which really isn't good for casters who usually spend little on HP, can teleport around to undo the advantage of keeping your distance that magic gives you and the brother you have to kill literally takes only half damage from magic, making you pretty much have to allot most if not all of your estus on FP just to last till the end resulting in little to no healing.

                                                                              Fromsoft, if you really hate magic so much then do us a favor and don't add it in Elden ring

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                Fights like these make me wish more bosses would have a monologue. Together with the music, it makes for an awesome ambiance.

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  I fought Friede first, and afterwards these guys felt like they fought in slow-motion. Their moves are very telegraphed and give you plenty of time to dodge/block. Still not an easy boss, but nowhere as fast and relentless Friede is.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    By far the best boss in the base game in my opinion. The music, the lore, the gameplay, it's all amazing. This should have been the final boss of the game. Don't get me wrong: Soul of Cinder is pretty cool too but feels like a kind of lazy boss design in comparison.

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      Stopping by in 2020 because I had a funny thought—what if Lothric is actually an angel incarnate?

                                                                                      We know plenty about Gertrude's role in the lore, and as stated above, the white feathers about the arena hint at some angelic influence; we also see that he uses a similar variety of white magic as the angels of the Dreg Heap.

                                                                                      Angels are not corporeal beings, and are mortally fettered to the larvae sprouting from the backs of the dead Pilgrims of Londor. However, notice that Lorian carries Lothric on his back, as if they were a single entity... In a way, their souls even resemble the wings of the angels.

                                                                                      It's also worth mentioning the angels' affiliation with the dark and with humanity, perhaps representing our own self will, unreliant on gods or monarchs. Naturally, this is regarded as heresy for how it might hinder the linking of the fire, as we see with Lothric himself.

                                                                                      Maybe it's not all that important, but what if this means that Lothric was the unexpected result of harnessing the royal family's dragon blood, which yielded not a dragon, but an angel? Both appear to be the enemies of the gods, representing independence from their decree...

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        For anyone struggling with the long range beam attack from Lorian, just roll to the side as soon as the sword hits the ground. Always works.

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          So I didnt see anything about it but after I killed Lorian about 4 times I got 2 embers and 2 titanite chunks

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            >If the player is always urging to do damage and cannot stomach the slow rate of progress in the fight, then it is best to remedy that, and not play until the player can be totally zen. This way eight or less Estus at +10 strength can be used.

                                                                                            cheeky

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              For anyone who found it near impossible to dodge Lorian's weird Holy Sword Slam like I could, when he teleports, if he's not near you this is the attack he's doing. Locate him as fast as you can and instead of running sideways (it tracks, and the beam hitbox is huge and lingering, so dont) run straight at him, even without sprinting you should be able to get close enough to only need to dodge the sword and ignore the beam. In phase 2 it lets you get behind them for free shots on Lorian and lets you completely ignore Lorians magic attack that follows it too.

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                Switching weapons in between phases (be quick about it) was what broke this fight for me. Lorian and Lothric are weak to different things/strong against different things, and you need a faster weapon for Lorian than for Lothric. I used Irithyll Straight Sword+5 for the first phase and Heavy Claymore+10 for the second phase.

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  Imagine running Sirris' and Orbeck's entire questlines just to have them both get obliterated by this boss in the first phase over and over again.

                                                                                                  Even when I aggro him, they just refuse to dodge his wave attacks. Bummer.

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    Really easy as a STR char with both phantoms, at least on the first playthrough. I don't even bother dodging the sword swings, just block and smash away like a madman.

                                                                                                    Wonderful lore/graphic design though - a boss to remember, perhaps the best in the series along with the DS1 Moonlight Butterfly.

                                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                                      For a way to nullify the teleporting skilling, google 'All Dark Souls Bosses in NG+9 VS Solaire of Astora' and go to 3:22:32

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                                                                                                        Currently at death 11 on my SL1 run, current record for most deaths. Even if they've kicked my ass so many times, I still absolutely love this boss. My trick has been to come in with a fastroll dragonslayer axe. I'm at a point where I can consistently get to phase 2. However, the homing projectiles that Lothric casts make me try to dodge more than I should and I end up taking a Flame of Lorian to the face. Any tips?

                                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                                          I found the first phase to be the worst part, i'm really bad at dealing with stuff in multiple directions(thanks dyspraxia and poor fine motor skills), and Lorian fake telegraphs his attacks to trick you into early dodging. Once Lothric jumps on though, you basically just do the crab around him and hit Lothric till he dies, you wanna stay as close as possible, because at a distance they WILL use the AoE combo or just teleport and one shot you. Plus when you're in close Lorian often misses his swings if you're moving, and he's a lot slower and less aggressive in this phase. Either way i'm proud that I was able to do this fight myself with no ember or buffs, even if it did take quite a few attempts.

                                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                                            i get all the praise for this one but personally, just not a fan. this fight is too heavy on rng thanks to the teleports, ends up just being frustrating as the real enemy is more the camera than anything. in order to consistently get past these guys my ideal tactic is just to lock lorian into a swing -> swing -> teleport loop next to the fog gate, cause if i fight him normally it just feels like a coin flip. as far as the base game bosses go i'd much rather fight NK, gundyr or sulyvahn

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